NYS HS Basketball Protest
I just read on the umpire-empire site that the NYS HS association denied a protest filed after a clerical error caused a team to be charged with a sixth TO. Apparently, with the score tied and 8.3 seconds remaining, the other team hit FTs to win. The state body said it could not overturn a clerical mistake.
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https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/h...ied/455785002/ |
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I feel bad for the team, but I am glad the state did not overturn the protest.
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We definitely need some more info here.
When the officials were (erroneously) informed by the scorer that Lutheran had used its final timeout (at whatever point that was in the game), and subsequently relayed that information to the coach -- this key administrative step ... happened ... right?! -- shouldn't he have objected then and had this all sorted out at that point? Did he call the TO with 8.3 seconds left knowing it would be an "excessive" timeout? It certainly doesn't seem like it. Therefore, was there any TO-related communication between the officials and the coach prior to this scenario unfolding at the 8.3 mark? |
I don't see how you don't go back and replay the last 8.3 seconds. I would feel less inclined to do so if, as ODog stated, the officials told the team he was out of timeouts, even though he wasn't. However, if he was told he had a timeout left (or even if no communication was given one way or another), used the timeout, and then was charged a T incorrectly because the scorer claimed they were out of timeouts, you HAVE to replay the end of that game.
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Was the chain broken, and, if so, by whom? The scorer shall: Record the time-out information charged to each team (who and when) and notify a team and its coach, through an official, whenever that team is granted its final allotted charged time-out. The officials shall conduct the game in accordance with the rules. This includes: Notifying the head coach when a team is granted its final allowable time-out. https://forum.officiating.com/basket...tml#post950647 |
You don't replay it because the decision of the game officials is available. There are no protests under NFHS rules.
Scorer/timer errors happen fairly frequently. Where do you draw the line of replaying the game? 8.3 seconds? 1:08? 7:08? It makes no difference when it occurred, it happened and can't be undone. |
The book is supposed to annotate the time on the clock for each time-out. The officials should have gone down the list of times and somebody should have remembered granting one of those time-outs to the opposing team.
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This also lets you stop asking the coach "30- or 60-? " when the team is out of one or the other. |
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While the school paints itself as the victim here, it is not wholly without blame. even if the refs never communicated that they had used their last timeout, and even if the scoreboard was showing the wrong number (though maybe the scoreboard didn't show at all)--why wasn't their book checking with the official book? Heck, I did that when I was a teenager keeping the book for junior high games. Cross checking fouls and TOs with the official book is pretty basic. Yet we have another high profile case in which the "adults" just play the "we got screwed" card instead of noting where they could have and should have done better. |
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However, I never inform the coach if he/she has anything other than zero left. I work with some officials who will tell the coach late in the game if he has one, two, even three timeouts left. Why? What if the table was wrong and you tell the coach he has one left when really he had none? Now the rules require you to assess a T. |
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I would like more information before I throw anybody under the bus. Were team scorekeepers allowed at the table? Were the officials informed by the table that the coach had used his last timeout? Was the head coach informed that he had used his last timeout? Did he question this after being informed? After charging the technical foul did the officials double check the scorebook(s) for errors? https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.c...=0&w=300&h=300 |
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"Coach, you have one timeout left", is a courtesy often extended by officials to coaches, when, by rule, officials should only be notifying head coaches when their team has been granted its final allowable timeout. If there is any miscommunication, or mistake, involving the table crew reporting remaining timeouts, then the officials, by rule, need to stay out of the conversation. Let the coaches, and table crew, communicate about remaining timeouts, other than when a team has been granted its final allowable timeout, which by rule, is required to be reported to the coach by the officials. |
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Further reflection does make me think that for how often basketball rules are misapplied, it would be hard to allow protests to occur in all such cases. However, for this to occur at a state run tournament?! Come on man! |
So let's assume there was (somehow) no communication between scorer and officials, which is an indictment of all four of them.
When the officials were informed, "Hey, he didn't have any timeouts left when he just called that one," didn't the alarm bells at least go off then?! Wait ... WHAT?! You never told us he'd used his final timeout. You sure?! Let me have a look at the book. And I'm assuming the coach is rightfully losing his mind at this point, lending even more urgency to the "let's have a look at the book" situation. Perhaps they did "double check" at this point, but since the scorer had it documented wrong, there was nothing doing. I would just like to know how it all played out. You have to smash through a lot of roadblocks/checkpoints to get to this point. |
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