Gonzaga vs Ohio State - DOG?
 

With 1:23 to go in the first half, Gonzaga player scores, then gives ball to ref. DOG called by......the C. Did not appear to delay anything. New T right there and did not call it. Perhaps something was already said previous to that play. Gonzaga player befuddled. Shocker.

Didn't see anything to make me think there was problem.

I have noticed an odd amount of touches of the ball by the new trail after a made basket by the new offense tossing the ball to the trail.

I haven't seen this play but why grab the ball and had it to the ref? Usually, the only purpose for doing that is to delay the game. It would usually take a bit longer for it to go through the refs hands to the other team. The players need to just let it bounce and let the other team get it.

I always told a team the first time they did this to leave the ball alone. The next time I call a DOG. This is only done to slow the game down and throw the other team off.

So now Gonzaga won't do that anymore. What's the problem? The purpose of a warning is to prevent further behavior of the same kind?

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The only problem is consistency. The action Gonzaga was warned for is something seen a number of times in previous tournament games, and done regularly by teams for entire games, and nothing said or done by the officials.

I'm fine and probably agree with the DOG, but officials, as a whole, definitely are not on the same page on this.

Is your expectation that officials are on the same page for a lot of things, or did this effect your team in a negative way?

I found it strange that the action did not appear to delay the offensive team and that it was called by the C with the new T merely feet away.

Preventive officiating.

My guess is that Mr. Collins would want the officials working to call it the same way. This particular play, an offensive player tossing the ball to the new T after a score, is not a judgement play. It is black and white. This specific crew decided that it was going to be a DOG. My assumption is that they have the rule book to back up their decision. If that is the case then why did the crew in the Auburn/Clemson game not call a DOG for the exact same play that occurred in the first half? BTW, nor did the crew stop the game to give a team warning. With that said, my guess would be that this action is going to be allowed by this crew for the remainder of that game.

The crew on one game has nothing to do with the crew on another game. Additionally, we don't know the history of that particular team. Maybe they've been doing that all season and the opponent noticed it on video and alerted the officials to it. It wouldn't be the first or last time that has happened.

Don't take this personally but this is a bit naive. One crew may adjudicate differently than another one. It would be rare that Senor Collins would make an announcement on this as this action is not THAT prevalent. There are more pressing issues to get officials on the same page that have a greater impact than this. There will never be 100% uniformity in how things are called at the NCAA level, however they try their best to get all officials on the same page as far as contact and freedom of movement stuff.

I officiate, so I take very little personally. At the same time, I probably view things like this, something that is truly a black and white situation, as something that "should" be fairly easy to get everyone on the same page with. "If anyone from team A possesses the ball after a score and throws the ball to one of the officials, a DOG warning shall immediately be called." (for example) From my perspective there is no 'gray area' here, and all officials could be easily observed on how it is adjudicated. To be honest, it could be something that saw nearly 100% consistency overnight.

Unlike, contact and freedom of movement, which I agree are more pressing issues. There will always be a 'gray area' for those things and individual judgement, thus people will always see inconsistencies from game to game, no matter how much focus the NCAA puts towards it.

Side note: Just saw video of a 4A boys semi-state game in Indiana where a DOG warning was given to team A after A1 had a breakaway dunk, A1 then grabbed the ball (no one from Team B was close to the ball or trying to gain possession of it), turned and nicely handed it to B1 who was standing right beside him. Seemed like an odd call, considering no delay truly resulted. Maybe a state interpretation was handed out or maybe it was just an individual official's interpretation??

This is a matter of situational judgment, not "black and white." Making it so is overly officious, imo.

I'll bet there was no interp, it was just an official being overly officious. In the end I call this a DOG sometime. It definitely get's a "leave the ball alone" from me the first time, but it's situational.

I wouldn't carte blanche say, anytime a team that just scores touches the ball it's a DOG. That's excessive.

This topic 'Delay of Game', has been discussed here before. The following is from a article from Referee magazine. " When the scoring team touches the ball after it goes through the basket, officials should end the practice immediately. For those old enough to remember the NCAA men’s final in 1985, the reason is clear. During the game, Georgetown players had been tapping the ball gently toward the Villanova thrower-in after a score. A friendly gesture? Think again. That speeded up play a bit, which was to Georgetown’s liking. However, the real consequence of allowing that practice happened at the end of the game. With five seconds left, the Hoyas scored to cut their deficit to two points. They had no timeouts left, and a Georgetown player slapped the ball away from Villanova. The official blew the whistle to stop the clock. (That was before the rules required the game clock to be stopped after scores in the last minute.) The officials warned Georgetown to leave the ball alone, but that forced Villanova to make a hotly contested throw-in with five seconds left rather than just let the clock run out. It managed the throw-in. But in an interview much later, one of the officials admitted they had been very lucky. By permitting Georgetown to “help” Villanova get the ball after a made basket, it set the stage for the slap of the ball at the end of the game and prompted the reflex whistle when it occurred. The official vowed never again to let even a friendly touch occur in any game he officiates. That is the right plan for all of us. Get the warning done early to prevent any temptations at a critical time and the need for a technical foul.
The article Written by Bill Kenney, Florham Park, N.J., who was (may still be) the rules interpreter and clinician for IAABO Board 168 and served on the IAABO Rules Exam Committee. He had refereed high school basketball for 40 years and college games for 25 at the time of the published article. The article is at least 12 years old. An also mentioned in the article, rules have changed since the Villanova/Georgetown game
So this Div 1 official has vowed to call a delay, even if is friendly.

If the team that just scored taps or gives the ball to the nearest opponent I'm not seeing how that delays the game. It's not the same as throwing the ball to an official.

Tapping the ball to an opponent and tapping the ball away are too radically different acts. With all due respect to Mr. Kenney, there are other ways to deal with this, eg, by letting the clock continue to run (in HS or NCAA back then).

See forum.officiating.com/basketball/103300-warning-delay.html

Never Say Never, Never Say Always ....
 

Agree it's situational (need some context), and if needed the first step should be, again, if needed, "leave the ball alone".

How about tapping the ball to prevent the ball from hitting one on the head? Or tapping the ball with one's foot as one trips over the ball? How about wrong place, wrong time, and one carelessly catches the ball? Can one legally do anything except place the ball on the floor? Like tap it to an opponent, or to an official, or just tap it barely out of bounds directly under the basket? All of these only done one time? Or maybe twice in the entire game?

Not every touch by a player on the team that scored is a delay of game. It's never automatic. Every situation should be handled differently.

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Peace

Players were right there to inbound. Delay tactic. Call the DOG.

I just found it strange that the call came from C, who was miles away.

BTW, isn't it a team warning for delay? In this game as well as another I saw, the PA announcer indicated it was on a specific player. In the other game, the ref was overheard telling the table the number of the player. Are DOG warnings noted to be on specific players?

The number is supposed to be indicated when giving this kind of warning for a delay.

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Sometimes officials may not have the fortitude to make such a call, who knows. Or maybe they weren't aware that a player may have been warned. Such infractions can be called by any official (usually the new T or C can make this).

There is an esteemed admin on this board who was part of such a situation and a 5 second call :p.

A delay of game situation is very different than a 5-second call where only one official is doing the counting. I have no issues with the C calling this when the C had the shooter who then went to rebound the ball and then took the ball away from the opponent and gave it to the official. It is possible that the L or new T did not see such action directly.

About a year or two ago, I called a T on a player that knocked the ball out of the hand of a thrower, after that player scored a basket and came around the thrower and hit the player and the ball. I ended up calling a T on the player from the C. If I did not do so, there would have likely been a clear turnover and my partner got screened and I saw the contact directly. It was not normally a call a C would make, but it was a saver of the situation. Sometimes these plays are no different than the ones we have directly on the court. It is about angles and positioning of what took place.

Peace

I thought the tongue sticking out smiley was clear indication that line was satire. For all but 1 of us (although my now it may be universal).

The Three B's ...
 

Good partner. Good save. Sometimes (at least in my high school games) it's appropriate to rule outside of your primary coverage area.

Be late. Be right. Be needed.

I can't find where that is documented. Do you have a rule to cite or manual reference?

Are we sure the call was from Slot or was it just Slot who reported it to the table to speed up the game.