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Scrapper1 Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:01pm
Did I miss the Teddy Valentine thread?
 
Teddy V not invited to the NCAA Tourney due to turning his back on a player. Has nobody mentioned this yet?

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:02pm
No, and his subsequent publicizing this means he's probably done. Maybe he's decided to retire.

Say what you will, he's one of the best of all time.


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SC Official Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:24pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018789)
No, and his subsequent publicizing this means he's probably done. Maybe he's decided to retire.

Say what you will, he's one of the best of all time.
Agreed, but this caused me to lose a lot of respect for him.

But, you're right, there's a reason he got the games he got in spite of what most fanboys think about him.

Rich Mon Mar 12, 2018 09:36pm
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.


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bucky Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50pm
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018797)
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.


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Aren't officials taught from day one to not speak/interact with any media? Can't tell you how many times JD and my assignors told us that. It is preached every year at all levels.

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:49am
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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1018803)
Aren't officials taught from day one to not speak/interact with any media? Can't tell you how many times JD and my assignors told us that. It is preached every year at all levels.

Maybe he feels he has nothing left to lose.


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Nevadaref Tue Mar 13, 2018 01:01am
There are consequences for actions. He chose to behave that way on a court in front of everyone. He needs to accept what happens afterward.

For him to whine about not being selected and call it unfair is sad.
It's completely justified that he wasn't selected due to something that he did during a game. It was his conduct without any involvement from anyone else. If he can't accept that, then he should probably retire.

AremRed Tue Mar 13, 2018 02:32am
JD put him in the Final Four last year. JD didn't include him this year. He publicly criticized JD.

I'd bet he's done.

I'm really interested to see if Joe DeRosa works this year. He hasn't the past two years after allegedly not being very close with JD and competing for the national coordinator job against him.

BillyMac Tue Mar 13, 2018 05:51am
Happy Valentiine's Day ...
 
https://sports.yahoo.com/ted-valenti...005438325.html

SC Official Tue Mar 13, 2018 06:35am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018797)
There's no reason such a disciplinary action should be kept quiet.

If Collins doesn't make it public, there's no reason Valentine can't, if that's what he wants.
Why shouldn't it be kept quiet? There have been Final Four-experienced officials in previous years that didn't make the cut for whatever reason, and I don't remember them going to the media.

Are you saying that Collins should have publicized a list of all the officials that would have gotten in the tournament absent disciplinary issues?

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 07:48am
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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1018826)
Why shouldn't it be kept quiet? There have been Final Four-experienced officials in previous years that didn't make the cut for whatever reason, and I don't remember them going to the media.



Are you saying that Collins should have publicized a list of all the officials that would have gotten in the tournament absent disciplinary issues?

I think my problem with the whole thing is that someone is lying in the Yahoo article.


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crosscountry55 Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:02am
We don't know all of the facts. What we do appear to know is that Teddy Valentine talked to ESPN on Monday (who reached out to who is unclear).

I agree with Rich that if JD doesn't want to publicly comment (and I agree with his actions of not doing so), Teddy has every right to do so on his own. But there's a right way and a wrong way to talk to ESPN.

Working in the tournament is a privilege, not a right. Teddy seems to have forgotten that at the moment. He might have said to ESPN, "While I disagree with and am disappointed by my exclusion, I understand the context of JD's decision and I respect it." If he says that, he's probably right back in the Final Four next year. But he didn't say that. This is unfortunate both for Teddy and the game. But Teddy is not bigger than the game, and the game will go on, with or without him.

Rich Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:20am
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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1018829)
We don't know all of the facts. What we do appear to know is that Teddy Valentine talked to ESPN on Monday (who reached out to who is unclear).



I agree with Rich that if JD doesn't want to publicly comment (and I agree with his actions of not doing so), Teddy has every right to do so on his own. But there's a right way and a wrong way to talk to ESPN.



Working in the tournament is a privilege, not a right. Teddy seems to have forgotten that at the moment. He might have said to ESPN, "While I disagree with and am disappointed by my exclusion, I understand the context of JD's decision and I respect it." If he says that, he's probably right back in the Final Four next year. But he didn't say that. This is unfortunate both for Teddy and the game. But Teddy is not bigger than the game, and the game will go on, with or without him.


He's 59.

But those that say he's terrible, etc. are just delusional. 29 tournaments and 10 Final Fours. You don't get that by being terrible.


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AremRed Tue Mar 13, 2018 08:57am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018830)
29 tournaments and 10 Final Fours.
What was your source on this? I looked last night and found 7 as his number of Final Fours in an article.

Raymond Tue Mar 13, 2018 09:15am
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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1018828)
I think my problem with the whole thing is that someone is lying in the Yahoo article.


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In another article I read, it appeared that JD's statement was not in regards to discussing the decision with TV, but that JD doesn't discuss selections with the press or general public.


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