Block/Charge Final Second Final 4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=zyWZbYb99po
Here is a (poor angle) baseline video starting at ~:28. For reference the score was white 56 black 54 at the time of this play, the clocked stopped at .1 with the whistle. |
Man...I don't know. On multiple looks, I think it's either a block or a no-call. The baseline view shows the defended leaning to his right to make contact.
Given the time and score, I think a no-call is defensible. |
I had a no call. Didn't look like a lot of contact and was more flop than anything. The fact that the defender fell straight down was a clear giveaway.
He would be getting the "get up" signal from me with a rolled eyeball or two. |
No call for me.
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Defense doesn't do anything wrong there, but definitely not enough to warrant a PC call on offense.
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That's super tough. The L is damned if he makes a call and damned if he doesn't. Probably a little less damned if he doesn't.
The second angle appeared to show block, but then you go back to the first angle and you don't see any movement toward the shooter at contact and we were looking almost directly perpendicular to the play. That means the defender's movement to the right must have been no more than lateral (i.e. legal). I guess my only question is if L could have been in a better position to see the play? But that's nit-picking. If you no-call there and the shot is missed, Black will cry block, but at the end of the day, if the ball handler tries to go through instead of up, he accepts the associated risks of that decision (including putting the game result at the discretion of an official's call or no-call). So I'm going no call here. As it turned out, ball went in, so the no call would have resulted in OT and everyone is probably satisfied. Hindsight is 20/20. |
Definitely not going PC on this play. I would like to think I would no-call this.
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I do not have a lot of opposition to the call based on the angle. It looks like not as much contact, but I do not see what the defender did wrong. I guess I would have to have a closer angle or different angle to be for sure.
The official is in much better position than we are across the court to know for sure. Peace |
No player control foul on this play. I would hope that I would no whistle on this play. Defender appeared to flop to me.
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Closed look?
While in lead's primary, looks to me he has a closed look at point of contact. Trail likely had best view of shooter slipping by defender and could've come in with secondary cadence, if needed.
Team down by two, I'm thinking to myself "has to be obvious, has to be obvious..." Let play develop. Late is great. |
Only watched once, but I'd go no call as well.
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Good call based on 1st video.
No call based on 2nd video. |
I'd like a no call. The one thing I don't like is a PC foul.
The word "flop" is thrown around way too much...by officials. |
Definitely nothing. Looks like this ref just wanted to GTFO.
Not sure how you can have a block here. |
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Eh, the defender leans into the airborne shooter. Likely not enough for me to put a whistle on it, but if anything, this is a block. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro |
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LOL at the kid taking a shot at the ref in post game interview. How about you pull up and shoot a bank shot and not force a call?
I would like to think I would no call this. |
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yeah people are tired at the end and emotional. If that call was made in the first half no one really would have cared much. I thought it was a charge at first as the defender got there in time, but upon further review was there enough contact? Doesn't look like it but not the best videos to tell for certain.
My first choice is no call. I would not have called a block. |
I'd like to think I'd no call this. I've been told at a number of camps, "watch how the defender falls." To me, the offensive player doesn't go to and through the defender. The defender does nothing wrong. Is there contact initiated by the offense, yes but it sure looks like he is trying to avoid going into and through the defender. Again, I'd like to think I'd no call this. What we also don't know is if the crew had put whistles on similar plays like that throughout the game. That makes a difference and is information we don't have. That is a tough one.
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Totally agree. I have called many a PC foul where the contact by the offensive player is on the shoulder area and not center mass. Makes me crazy when coaches, fans, players, and sadly, some officials say he/she has to take the hit in the chest in order to draw a PC foul. In this particular play, as I wrote, I'd like to believe I would no call it.
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Correct call. The offensive player made contact with the torso of a defender in legal guarding position. This may not look good, but it is a correct call for a player control foul.
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I see two potential issues on this play. First, before he gets to the secondary defender it appears (from the baseline video), that the primary defender puts his knee into the offensive player as he goes by. Should this have been called a block, before the block/charge/ no call issue ever came up.
As for the call. I would likely have gone no call on this play given that the defender does appear to lean a tiny bit sideways at the moment of contact. I certainly don't see enough to indicate that it was a PC foul. I think a case could also be made that when the offensive player left his feet, the defender was still attaining LGP, but again it is so close, at that point of the game, I would be keeping the whistle silent. I don't see a clear cut foul in that situations of the game. Depending on how the game was going earlier, maybe I have something earlier, but I certainly don't see enough on the final play to make a call there. |
Why are you reviving a year-old thread?
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I posted on a thread that was with the other threads on my screen. I did not even look at the date of the thread.
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great example of how a block/charge collision can be a no call under the rules. If the player is there waiting, but the driver gets by with minimal contact, a no call much of the time is right. that's what I'd have there,
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