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so cal lurker Tue Feb 27, 2018 06:13pm

NIT Experimental Rules
 
From Bleacher report:

2018 NIT to Feature Experimental Rules Including Extended 3-Point Line | Bleacher Report

Extending three point line, wider key, and changing from halves to quarters.

frezer11 Tue Feb 27, 2018 06:23pm

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1017918)
From Bleacher report:

2018 NIT to Feature Experimental Rules Including Extended 3-Point Line | Bleacher Report

Extending three point line, wider key, and changing from halves to quarters.

Also shot clock reset to 20 on a missed shot. All for halves to quarters, don't have a strong opinion on the others.

Nevadaref Tue Feb 27, 2018 07:11pm

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1017919)
Also shot clock reset to 20 on a missed shot. All for halves to quarters, don't have a strong opinion on the others.

Why?
I prefer halves.
My reasons: One fewer possible buzzer-beater attempt to deal with, two fewer intermissions, and my personal belief that the game has better flow.

Fouls can be reset at the midpoint (or first stoppage of play thereafter) without needing to end the period of play.

so cal lurker Tue Feb 27, 2018 07:38pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1017920)
Why?
I prefer halves.
My reasons: One fewer possible buzzer-beater attempt to deal with, two fewer intermissions, and my personal belief that the game has better flow.

Depends on what they do with the TV time outs--there are already so many darned intermissions there's no flow. If they keep all 4 current TV TO's PLUS the quarter intermission, the game will become virtually unwatchable. If they move to just one TV TO during each quarter, the flow will be better than it is now. What did women do with TV TOs when they converted to quarters?

(Personally, I'm not a fan of re-starting the foul count at quarters, but no one asked me . . .)

Player989random Tue Feb 27, 2018 08:31pm

The quarters are coming. More commercial time to sell means higher revenue. I like halves, but it ain't the end of the world. Same with fouls resetting every quarter and the bonus at the 5th foul.

An extended 3-point arc is going to decrease scoring, so I doubt that'll stay. Maybe they hope to counteract that with the shot clock resetting to 20, forcing more shots.

And why widen the free-throw lane? They trying to create a lower defensive block?

scrounge Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:53pm

I like it, nearly all of them. No real opinion on resetting fouls each quarter, but seems fine if that's what they want to do. Much prefer quarters, like the shot clock idea, the longer 3 pt arc may encourage marginal chuckers to take better shots, etc.

JRutledge Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:21pm

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Originally Posted by Player989random (Post 1017925)
The quarters are coming. More commercial time to sell means higher revenue. I like halves, but it ain't the end of the world. Same with fouls resetting every quarter and the bonus at the 5th foul.

Don't be so sure about that one. It has been said the problem with Quarters is they would actually lose some media built in time. And it seems like the committee is not willing to make that change at this point. Not saying it will not ever happen, but the reasoning has to be worked out. The Men's committee does not seem to care what women's basketball does either.

Peace

BillyMac Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:53am

Basketball History 101 ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Player989random (Post 1017925)
And why widen the free-throw lane?

The key used to look like a key:

https://tse4.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.V...=0&w=216&h=171

And then along came Leroy Edwards, George Mikan, Bob Kurland, Bill Russell, and Wilt Chamberlain. As these imposing centers dominated the paint, scoring at will, the key was widened, and widened again. As big men continue to get taller, stronger, and faster, the rules continue to evolve.

Nevadaref Wed Feb 28, 2018 01:11am

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Originally Posted by Player989random (Post 1017925)
And why widen the free-throw lane? They trying to create a lower defensive block?

The wider FT lane and extended 3pt arc are supposed to create more space by pulling the players further out from the basket. The idea is that there will be more freedom of movement and less physical play on drives to the basket and cutters through the lane.

A secondary defender has further to go in order to help if the shooter he is guarding is spotted up farther away from the basket.

frezer11 Wed Feb 28, 2018 01:33am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1017920)
Why?
I prefer halves.
My reasons: One fewer possible buzzer-beater attempt to deal with, two fewer intermissions, and my personal belief that the game has better flow.

Fouls can be reset at the midpoint (or first stoppage of play thereafter) without needing to end the period of play.

I've just enjoyed what its done for the women's game, specifically with the foul count reset. I suppose you're right about resetting at the midpoint, but because that time would vary, I think a quarter break is a more logical time. If they were to switch to quarters and go media at the 5:00 mark, it would be just about perfect for me.

grunewar Wed Feb 28, 2018 04:59am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1017940)
The wider FT lane and extended 3pt arc are supposed to create more space by pulling the players further out from the basket. The idea is that there will be more freedom of movement and less physical play on drives to the basket and cutters through the lane.

A secondary defender has further to go in order to help if the shooter he is guarding is spotted up farther away from the basket.

I like this explanation. Let's see if it plays out.

Scrapper1 Wed Feb 28, 2018 09:02am

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Originally Posted by Player989random (Post 1017925)

And why widen the free-throw lane? They trying to create a lower defensive block?

1) IMHO, there SHOULD be a lower defensive block. This provides some guidance for when the RA does or does not apply. The Men's rule about not considering the RA for plays involving a rebound and quick drive isn't very good as it stands (again, IMHO).

2) You don't need to widen the lane to create the LDB.

3) NCAA-W already use the LDB.

JRutledge Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:39am

I am not seeing the benefit of an LDB at all. Seems easy or not enough plays even come into play with the current situation.

Peace

crosscountry55 Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:25pm

Widening the lane wonít do squat if there isnít a 3 seconds POE to go along with it.

Good idea....but darn it, yet another thing to pull our attention away from refereeing the defense.


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bob jenkins Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1017966)
Widening the lane wonít do squat if there isnít a 3 seconds POE to go along with it.

Good idea....but darn it, yet another thing to pull our attention away from refereeing the defense.

I don't think that conclusion follows. If an offensive player is in the lane, a defensive player is nearby (or, if not, a basket will follow within the 3-second timeframe). If you are watching the defense, you will see the offensive player and can count.


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