My association has decided not to use the Federation test this year. Instead they are going to give us some 200 question test that the California people write and it will be a take home exam.

I really do not like this. First, I think all exams should be closed book in order to see what you know and what you don't. Secondly, if and when I move somewhere else I will not have been taking NFHS tests for a while and I could go to a place that uses them. I would like to keep up with the tests for myself as I believe that I learn a great deal about the rules from them. For example, there are some NFHS interps that I only know from looking at the answers to past tests.
So understanding that some associations out there use part I as an evaluation tool and therefore, it would not be good to post the questions on the net at this time, would someone kindly scan the test and email it to me?
Thanks
[email protected]

Just wait. It'll be posted somewhere online.

NR - I think you gave me this web site for NFHS tests. Try them later in the season.


http://www.cboa.org/nfhsexams.htm

I did Rick, but they don't seem to always post all the tests.
PS What do you think about us not using the NFHS test?

I think we should still take the Fed test. I prefer the method that the Football Chapter has adopted. You take a 50 question Cal. Test and 50 question Fed test all closed book. The Cal. Test is covered in study groups, so basically you have the answers for that in advance.

The Fed test for basketball is the hardest of the Fed tests that I have taken. I think we are going to this method because of the low scores the last few years and how bad the Fed test is designed. The Fed Test focuses more on tricking the test taker than on testing your rule knowledge.

This is my association and we have had a small turnover of personnel (secretary & web guru) so we have been lax in posting. We no longer take the test in August (for fall ball) because all girls teams now play in the winter.

Rick,
 

So your state does not give a test at all?

Peace

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen a copy of this years fed test?

Part 1 I assume.
 

Yes. I have had a copy of the test for about 3 weeks. I already took the test online and got a 99.

Peace

1 + 1 = 2
 

Read the original post.

Then, read this post.

Conclusion: Neveadaref and Rick Vietti are both from Nevada. Also, Rick's profile and NevadaRef's username would also support this axiom. Therefore, they will both be taking the "200 question test that the California people write."

I think they can speak for themselves.
 

Tony,

In our language, association is not "the state." I have never been given a test by my "association," which to me and seems to many means your <b>local officials association.</b> So I am trying to clarify, if they are talking about their state office, which does not seem to have the same power across the country, if their "State" gives them the test, rather than their local official's association. And yes I can assume this when guys are always saying they got a playoff game based on what an "Chapter" gave them. No one in my state gets a game from any person in a "Chapter," so this is totally foreign to me. All our test have to be summitted to Bloomington, Illinois <b>(the IHSA Office)</b>, not my Secretary of IACAO for example.

BTW, this is why I asked him, not you. ;)

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Oct 12th, 2003 at 11:04 AM]

Where did you take the test on-line???

Through the IHSA. We can summit our test online or thru the mail. Not something everyone can do, unless you already have a license with the IHSA.

When you take the test online, you find out immediately what your score is. We will not know which answers are correct until right before the season starts. That too will be submitted online as well on our individual website.

Peace

[Edited by JRutledge on Oct 12th, 2003 at 05:36 PM]

I noticed that the Metro Toronto Board has the test on-line. The address is http://www.torontoreferees.org

Re: I think they can speak for themselves.
 

So by "state," you're referring to the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION, and when you say ASSOCIATION, you are not referrring to the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION and since the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION is not an ASSOCIATION, then the "state" is a what? :confused:

Re: Re: I think they can speak for themselves.
 

No Tony. I know this is really hard for you to understand, partly because we do not do things like they do in North Carolina.

If you look at this link http://www.ihsa.org/official/orgs.htm you will notices a reoccuring theme. All of these organizations have the word "Association" at the end of them, except probably one. So when officials refer to their "Association," they are not refering to the IHSA. Officials all over the place refer to the "state" as meaning the office in Bloomington and what the rules and regulations and the promotion process. The "state" is the only body that gives us our rulebooks, gives us the test, sets the requirments for promotion and assigns our playoff contests. The "associations" are there to train officials to get better, but being a member is not required in order to hold a license with the IHSA. Being a member of the IACAO Board (Inter-Association Council of Athletic Officials), which is an organization of many "Official's Associations" working in concert with each other to serve the needs and concerns of officials in Northern Illinois, I this is very apparent. I am a board member representing more than one association and help run the 3 camps that IACAO holds before each season in Football, Basketball and Baseball/Softball (one camp).

So if you are confused that is understandable, but understand that my confusion is the same when folks talk about "what our chapter does for you," and talks about the tests and playoffs that "chapter" gives to you. Because it is clear that what many folks call a chapter, Illinois officials call it an association. And this was why I asked the question in the first place, because it seemed like their "association" was giving them a test when our "state does that for us.

Peace

Hey Jay, Thanks for the link.

I don't think you ever answered the question.
 

So by "state," you're referring to the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION, and when you say ASSOCIATION, you are not referrring to the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION and since the Illnois High School ASSOCIATION is not an ASSOCIATION, then the "state" is a what?

Let it go.
 

I do not recall that I asked you any question about your "chapter" or whatever you call it. When I do, I will let you know. :rolleyes:

Peace

Rick and I both live in the Reno/Sparks area. We both officiate games for the Northern Nevada Officials Association. He is a member of the football, basketball, and softball chapters, and I am in the soccer and basketball chapters, which are under this Association. So we know each other and have even worked some games together.
Therefore, in this case Tony's assumption happens to be the right one, but I do see Rut's point about associations, chapters, and state offices not having to be the same. In fact, due to the imprecise way we talk it is often quite confusing what we really mean. For example, to be precise, I should have written "My chapter has decided...." in the original post instead of "My association..." Since, it is only the basketball guys who aren't using the Fed test this year. We did take it in soccer, and Rick wrote how they did it in football.

If anyone is interested how it works in Nevada, I have started a new thread, which gives the details.


[Edited by Nevadaref on Oct 13th, 2003 at 03:53 AM]

If you'll give me a fax number, I'll fax Part 1 to you this week when I get it. Keep in mind I'm doing this even though you sometimes get on my last nerve! :p