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bucky Thu Feb 08, 2018 02:49am

When is a punch a punch?
 
NFHS:

Generally, a punch is a fist thrown at someone with the target area being say, from the waist up. Examples: A1 tries to punch B2 and hits him in the face or short C4 tries to punch tall F5 and hits him in the chest. These are considered flagrant and the offender is ejected.

Situation: A1 is displaced by B3 and both fall to the floor. Official calls the foul. B3 rises and A1, in a sitting position, clearly retaliates by swinging a straight-armed fist from the side, hitting the knee of B3. B3 stumbles and falls to the floor in great pain.


To truly give a ruling, you had to be there but... given the description, would you go with intentional or flagrant foul?

Is the landing spot of the fist relevant?

grunewar Thu Feb 08, 2018 04:50am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1016566)
clearly retaliates by swinging a straight-armed fist from the side

As you describe it, I don't care where he hits him, he's gone.

I believe NFHS determined yrs back that there doesn't even have to be a punch thrown to be a "fight." So this clearly steps beyond that line.

SNIPERBBB Thu Feb 08, 2018 08:33am

The attempt alone is enough for a flagrant.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 08, 2018 08:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1016566)
NFHS:

Generally, a punch is a fist thrown at someone with the target area being say, from the waist up. Examples: A1 tries to punch B2 and hits him in the face or short C4 tries to punch tall F5 and hits him in the chest. These are considered flagrant and the offender is ejected.

Situation: A1 is displaced by B3 and both fall to the floor. Official calls the foul. B3 rises and A1, in a sitting position, clearly retaliates by swinging a straight-armed fist from the side, hitting the knee of B3. B3 stumbles and falls to the floor in great pain.


To truly give a ruling, you had to be there but... given the description, would you go with intentional or flagrant foul?

Is the landing spot of the fist relevant?

I think your question about a punch is not quite relevant.

To be flagrant (in keeping with this example), it must be a fight. A fight is "an attempt to strike, punch, or kick ..."

So, I don't care whether this meets some (non-existent) definition of "punch." It was an attempt to strike -- flagrant.


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