basketball inbounds?

frezer11

pfan1981 wrote
Ball is inbounds at that point. You have a held ball.

If it was an AP throw in, the arrows stays with the inbounding team.

Agreed. If the defender had to reach through the plane, it would be a technical. That's one of those rules that has never made sense to me. If you reach over and swipe at the ball, it is called an intentional foul, yet if you actually contact the ball, it is a worse penalty, a tech.

ChuckS

Not a held ball, now it is the defender's ball, play on.

Raymond

frezer11 wrote
Agreed. If the defender had to reach through the plane, it would be a technical. That's one of those rules that has never made sense to me. If you reach over and swipe at the ball, it is called an intentional foul, yet if you actually contact the ball, it is a worse penalty, a tech.

If you make contact with the thrower-in, it's an Intentional Personal Foul. If you contact the ball outside the boundary line, it's a Technical Foul.

Difference in the adjudication is that live ball contact is a personal foul. Can't have a personal foul for contacting the ball.

bucky

pfan1981 wrote
Ball is inbounds at that point. You have a held ball.

If it was an AP throw in, the arrows stays with the inbounding team.

Holding the ball across the line does not make the ball inbounds....just clarifying, perhaps what you meant.

BryanV21

A1 holds the ball over the baseline and B1 slaps the ball out of his hand and then grabs it.

1. Legal
2. Throw in ends, and the arrow now belongs to Team B. Right?

bob jenkins

BryanV21 wrote
A1 holds the ball over the baseline and B1 slaps the ball out of his hand and then grabs it.

1. Legal
2. Throw in ends, and the arrow now belongs to Team B. Right?

Yes, if the original throw-in was an AP throw-in.

Just how tall is A1 if s/he can hold the ball over the baseline? 😉 (Note: This is NOT an invitation for BillyManc to post a picture of stretch armstrong or Inspector Gadget)

so cal lurker

What does over the line mean in terms of defenders being able to touch the ball being held by the thrower? Is it where the hand/ball contact takes place that matters? Just curious.

bob jenkins

so cal lurker wrote
What does over the line mean in terms of defenders being able to touch the ball being held by the thrower? Is it where the hand/ball contact takes place that matters? Just curious.

If the contact takes place on the inbounds side of the boundary plane, it's legal; if the contact is on the out-of-bounds side of the plane, it's illegal.

ChuckS

so cal lurker wrote
What does over the line mean in terms of defenders being able to touch the ball being held by the thrower? Is it where the hand/ball contact takes place that matters? Just curious.

Case Play 7.6.4A "...A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line..."

I interpret this to mean that ALL of the ball must over the in-bounds area of the court, for it to be legally touched by a defender.

BigT

ChuckS wrote
Not a held ball, now it is the defender's ball, play on.

If the inbound puts the ball through the plane and its tied up by the inbounder defender...what happens Chuck?

ChuckS

BigT wrote
If the inbound puts the ball through the plane and its tied up by the inbounder defender...what happens Chuck?

Then it's a held ball, with Team A retaining the arrow.

Camron Rust

ChuckS wrote
Case Play 7.6.4A "...A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line..."

I interpret this to mean that ALL of the ball must over the in-bounds area of the court, for it to be legally touched by a defender.

Don't read it that way. That is a "case" of what could be legal. It doesn't intend to say the entire ball must be over the line.

The defender can't reach through the line, that's it. If they hit/touch the ball without doing so, it is legal.

shutupneff

BryanV21 wrote
A1 holds the ball over the baseline and B1 slaps the ball out of his hand and then grabs it.

1. Legal
2. Throw in ends, and the arrow now belongs to Team B. Right?

In the smack and grab situation described here, at what point exactly would the throw in end? When B1 possesses the ball? When B1 knocks it loose? As soon as B1 is in contact with the ball and A1 isn't?

I assume it's that last option.

ChuckS

Camron Rust wrote
Don't read it that way. That is a "case" of what could be legal. It doesn't intend to say the entire ball must be over the line.

The defender can't reach through the line, that's it. If they hit/touch the ball without doing so, it is legal.

Thanks for that clarification, very helpful!

bob jenkins

shutupneff wrote
In the smack and grab situation described here, at what point exactly would the throw in end? When B1 possesses the ball? When B1 knocks it loose? As soon as B1 is in contact with the ball and A1 isn't?

I assume it's that last option.

Not covered, so use 2-3.

I'm going with "when the loose ball is next touched" (which is mostly your last option)