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JRutledge Wed Jan 31, 2018 05:59pm

Xavier @ St. Johns - End of the game GT call (Video)
 
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sdoebler Wed Jan 31, 2018 06:17pm

Looked like a good block to me

Rich Wed Jan 31, 2018 07:54pm

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Originally Posted by sdoebler (Post 1016021)
Looked like a good block to me

So you're saying that you don't think it hit the backboard first?

Jay R Wed Jan 31, 2018 08:01pm

Tie goes to the runner

JRutledge Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:00pm

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Originally Posted by Jay R (Post 1016024)
Tie goes to the runner

Kind of thinking the same thing.

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Jesse James Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:23pm

Ball goes toward and into the glass after the swat, so it’s not a tie. I think that’s the only time it hits glass. Good block.

Raymond Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:44pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 1016029)
Ball goes toward and into the glass after the swat, so it’s not a tie. I think that’s the only time it hits glass. Good block.

That's what I saw.

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Rich Wed Jan 31, 2018 11:04pm

Note I was just asking the question. I think it's close and a hard decision, but thinks he got ball then ball got board.


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Camron Rust Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:40am

Close call...but it was hit before it hit the backboard.

I don't like who called it. He had the worst angle of the C/T for making that decision. It was basically like making a foul call from a straightlined position.

crosscountry55 Thu Feb 01, 2018 09:24am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1016038)
I don't like who called it. He had the worst angle of the C/T for making that decision. It was basically like making a foul call from a straightlined position.


Agree it’s just about 50/50. But I think ^this is a fair critique. Not easy to sit on this kind of call, but the book says the official on the other side has primary on this call and this is one of the reasons why.



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sdoebler Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:41am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1016022)
So you're saying that you don't think it hit the backboard first?

Yes that is what I am saying

deecee Thu Feb 01, 2018 10:56am

The call was right. The ball just hit the board then blocked, you have to go super slo mo. Either way tie goes to the offense. The defenders action after the call was bs IMO.

In HS its a clean block.

Rich Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:01am

I find it hard to nitpick these.

It's close, the official got a look, he made a decision.

Raymond Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:08am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1016088)
I find it hard to nitpick these.

It's close, the official got a look, he made a decision.

I rarely find anything of value in discussing GT calls. They either got it right or they got it wrong. But the call is very difficult to make in the heat and speed of the game.

jeremy341a Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:41am

This is one of the reasons I don't like the college aspect of the rule that once it hits the board it is off limits. It can be so difficult to judge. I prefer the high school rule that if it is still going up then it is fair game.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:13pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1016088)
I find it hard to nitpick these.

It's close, the official got a look, he made a decision.

And, it's hard to really find anything we can learn from this -- other than maybe to always be ready for it, especially from the opposite side

Camron Rust Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1016100)
And, it's hard to really find anything we can learn from this -- other than maybe to always be ready for it, especially from the opposite side

I think there is something to be learned....don't call it if you're straightlined with what needs to be seen. Trust your partner with the better angle to get it.

BryanV21 Thu Feb 01, 2018 12:36pm

Either way I don't think I'd have a whistle on this play. I like to know what happened instead of guessing as to what happened, and this is so close I'd be guessing.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 01, 2018 01:38pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1016087)
The call was right. The ball just hit the board then blocked, you have to go super slo mo. Either way tie goes to the offense. The defenders action after the call was bs IMO.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1016104)
Either way I don't think I'd have a whistle on this play. I like to know what happened instead of guessing as to what happened, and this is so close I'd be guessing.

Does the benefit of the doubt go to the offense (deecee) or the defense (Bryan)? Has any of the rule-making bodies made a statement on that?

deecee Thu Feb 01, 2018 02:05pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1016115)
Does the benefit of the doubt go to the offense (deecee) or the defense (Bryan)? Has any of the rule-making bodies made a statement on that?

I'm saying that if it's close like this the expectation is go with the offense getting the benefit of the doubt. Not saying that all 50/50 calls have to go the offenses way, just that the expectation is that it will. Either is right in my book, I tend to lean towards the offense I find.

BryanV21 Thu Feb 01, 2018 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1016115)
Does the benefit of the doubt go to the offense (deecee) or the defense (Bryan)? Has any of the rule-making bodies made a statement on that?

I would want to see the violation, not guess that there is one. I'm sure we've all seen things that were probably a foul, but we didn't see the actual contact so we don't blow our whistle.

So, in this case, if you want to say the benefit of the doubt goes to the offense then so be it.

RedAndWhiteRef Thu Feb 01, 2018 03:38pm

Around :35 is the decisive angle for me--behind the bucket. I see the ball graze the glass a split-second before the St. John's player gets it.

In real time, though, the ref is gonna piss off one team no matter what.

#olderthanilook Thu Feb 01, 2018 03:43pm

The overhead replay from the camera behind the backboard shows the ball touching glass a millisecond before B1 touches it.

Nice job by the official.


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