"And one!!!"
 

Am I just getting cranky as I get older? I don't know why but this is driving me crazy this year that kids seem to be yelling "and one!!" more and more when they think they're fouled on a drive. I about whacked a kid last night who kept yelling it from the bench. I've noticed it in the past, but it's never really bothered me. Now, every time I hear it, I want to tell them that their parents don't love them. I think I'm in need of a break from high school kids for a while or something.

You are cranky, but this made me laugh.

This only bothers me if he's staring down the opponent while he does it (taunting) or clearly directs it at me.

A lot of times players just say it in a celebratory way even when they know there was no foul (and ooooooooonnnnnnnneeeeee!!!).

heck, I hear it when there's not even any contact or before the shot!

Your not getting cranky, I get tired of hearing it too.
But I do love to say, (when they miss) it's only an and1, if he makes it!
It kinda breaks tension, or that you can also have some fun.
I've had players laugh and say, "yeah, your right"

“And One”
And
“Ball don’t Lie” is the one that is getting under my skin, because it could be interpreted that the official was “lying”.

I honestly believe that most kids are NOT directing this at officials. Saying this has become like a bad twitch.

I still play pickup hoops, my kids are playing hoops and like many of you, enjoy watching younger people play pickup (no officials).
I have noticed that these two lines are more directed at their opponent in an effort to: discourage contact before it happens, tell
their opponent they just got fouled, compliment a half decent drive to the basket or draw attention to themselves.

All of the above are wrong, but part of pick up hoops language. Notice that most girls do not say this, because pick up isn’t played by girls as often.

Not sure this is a battle NFHS will fight?





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Hope not, because I don't like absolutes.

Agree, a lot has to do with tone.

I've told told kids to quit with the "and 1" - they usually figure it out pretty quickly.

I gave a bench warning for this last week and was about to T a player up after a made basket but his coach immediately chastised the kid and got him under control so I let it go. It was not a problem the rest of the game.

Our state (I think it was local and not national) issued a memo to coaches and players stating that talking to officials about the foul count was not appropriate conversation and would warrant a warning or technical if continued.

I could see something going out stating that shouting "And One" or "Ball don't lie" could follow a line of warning and/or technical but you never know what they will choose to focus on.

I've never heard "ball don't lie." What does that mean?

This is why I hate absolutes.

When a coach and I are just having a conversation that only the two of us can hear, he's not going to get a warning or a T from me for mentioning the foul count. I might redirect the conversation or walk away depending on how receptive he is, but if you warn or whack coaches every time in that instance, you probably won't be around long.

Coach is screaming "IT'S 7 TO 1!!!" across the court...different story, but even I'd be inclined to try and get him back to coaching before giving a warning, especially if that's his first issue of the night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH0-QR9IzM4

Players/coaches/fanboys yell it mostly when a free throw is missed following a foul call that they felt was wrong.

See SC Official #13.

This has been around for at least 30 plus years in playground games and with all the microphones and cameras at games now, we can now clearly hear NBA players saying it. And of course, whatever we see and hear at the NBA level, we'll see and hear from kids that don't play on playgrounds and will never play in the NBA.

My response to this is always "Ball don't talk either". Usually gets a smile or a nod.

Heard that one from my partner last week - loved it and will definitely use it!
Need a good one for "And One".
Whatcha got?

I wouldn't say that it is an absolute, I guess I should have said could warrant. However, this does give you easy justification to any assignor.

Why did you T him?
He was complaining about the lopsided foul count.
Ok thanks

Not that you need any justification but I feel like it gives some consistency.

Assigners I know don't care if the coach calls you a motherf*cker if the one he's saying it to is the only other person in the gym who can hear it.

My assigners might not care, but I surely would.

NSFW

Is this your assignor?

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"And none."

Had a “ball don’t lie” tonight from the bench.
Coach was nearby and I said: ball don’t talk. Coach told the kid to be quiet and apologized to me.
I like “and none”. Also like slowly saying: And One (pause) more of those may get you a technical foul (walking away).



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"First you need two."

Back to the OP ...

Worse than hearing players do it is coaches. Usually it's a case of younger, underlevel guys (and, yes, it's virtually always guys) just getting caught up in the game. Almost as if it's a synonym for "Great move in traffic!"

Much lower tolerance for this, however. A not-so-private word usually does the trick with any and-1'er.

Not that's an "AND ONE!"

I was doing an 18U Rec league last night and the kids were actually using the expression as they practiced and shot around before the game. Practice?! Drove me insane.

Thankfully, it never really came up in the game. :cool:

You are not getting cranky. On the other hand I AM old and cranky. That said, today's players, not all player, but a small but significant just don't know how to keep their mouths shut and play the game. When I played in the 1960s my HC would have benched just for looking at an official cross-eyed. Different times and generations.

MTD, Sr.

I always laugh when kids say "and one!" and miss the shot. I usually look around and pretend I'm just really old and don't understand and say "I'm confused, don't you have to make the shot for it to be an 'and one!'"?