GHSA Forces Replay of Game's Final Second
 

GHSA agrees with Discovery boys basketball protest, forces replay of ending with Collins Hill | Sports | gwinnettprepsports.com

The Georgia High School Association sided with Discovery’s boys basketball team on a misinterpreted ruling in this past Saturday’s loss to Collins Hill, reversing the result and forcing the two teams to replay the game’s final second.

Collins Hill won the game 46-45 when Justin Lee made two free throws off a technical foul called on Discovery’s Kalu Ezikpe, who punched an inbounds pass away to run the final second off the clock. Titan officials were quick to point out the play shouldn’t have resulted in a technical foul, just a change of possession.

However, the game referees still awarded a technical foul and ensuing free throws to Collins Hill in the key Region 6-AAAAAAA game. Discovery officials pursued the case with the GHSA, which agreed that the officials ruled in error. The organization released the following statement on the verdict from executive director Robin Hines:

“After reviewing the incident that occurred at the end of the Collins Hill vs. Discovery boys basketball game, the GHSA has made the following ruling: A misapplication of NFHS Rule 9-4 (pg. 58 in the rule book) clearly occurred when the officiating crew assessed an ‘unsporting technical foul,’ rather than a simple violation, for striking the ball with a fist. Since this was NOT a ‘judgment call’ but a clear misapplication of a rule, play shall be resumed at the point of interruption when the violation occurred. It will be the responsibility of the two schools to determine when/where the resumption of play will take place and communicate that information with the local officials association and myself. Additionally, there shall be no added expense for officials assigned to finish the game in question.”

Collins Hill hosts Discovery on Tuesday, at which point they will play the final second of the previous matchup, likely before the regularly scheduled game. The Eagles will have possession under their basket at the restart, trailing 45-44 and needing to go the length of the court.

The outcome affects not just the two involved teams, but also the other teams currently in a logjam at the top of the region standings.

“For coaches in general, it lets you know your voice can be heard,” Discovery boys head coach Cory Cason said. “Like in all sports now, ultimately you just want the right decision to be made, whether it’s immediately after or after when you can look at it closer.”

The GHSA didn’t initially side with Discovery after it received emails on the subject. But Cason followed up with a phone call Monday to state his case.

“I’ll give Cory credit, he wasn’t willing to let it die at the first no,” Discovery athletic and activities director Chris Hall said.

“I was just determined to get (the GHSA officials) on the phone and at least get them to hear me out verbally,” Cason said. “It wasn’t opening Pandora’s box. It the last possession and it was clearly what decided the game. If they turn around (Tuesday) and they make a shot, they just win.”

If Collins Hill doesn’t make a shot, the Eagles’ record falls to 17-3 overall and 5-3 in the region — which knocks them out of a second-place tie with Duluth and Mountain View. Discovery then improves to 10-11 overall and 3-5 in the region.

The GHSA has proven itself to be a shit show. This just reinforces that.


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I don't have knowledge of the rule in question, but I'm guessing there's not a baseball-like protest option in basketball?

And I'm also familiar with the precedent set by GHSA in baseball.

This is a state thing. My state does not recognize any protests in any sport. This would not happen in the State of Illinois at this time. Heck the IHSA won a lawsuit over a situation in a football game a year ago for the very same logic during a misapplication of a rule, no protests.

Peace

those goobers are just making it up as they go along, and this isn't even close to the first time

Ok, I get the frustration with a state association not following its own written rules and it appears, from other responses, that this isn't the first time.

Can we not understand the legitimate frustrations of a coach who lost a game because a rule was misapplied?

My State association does not allow protests but some of the conferences in my area allow protests and this is a situation where I believe some of those conferences would allow for a replay of the final second of play (or from wherever the rule was kicked).

I can understand the frustration, but the conclusion (lost BECAUSE the rule was misapplied) is not valid. The game was lost because of ALL the events of the game (including the rule issue).

And, that's a lesson that should be part of scholastic sports, imo. (And, yes, the officials involved should be reprimanded somehow as well)

I have no problem with protests of misapplied rules. But don't ignore the plain, clear language of a rule prohibiting protests--that's disingenuous; change the rules to permit them, if that is what the sport's governing body thinks appropriate.

Does this open them up to replaying any misapplication of rules? Obviously going back to the point of interruption here is a little easier with only one second left.

What if there is a clear misapplication of rules when the game is tied in the second quarter? As officials we can make mistakes with judgement but are expected to know the rules. However, I am sure that everyone (I know I have) has misapplied a ruled at some point in their career. I know a few people have pointed out this sets a poor precedent but really where does it end?

Fair point.

This is exactly my thought! What if this happened in the first minute of the game and they end up losing by a point? They can now protest and go back to point of interruption? Like another poster mentioned, a final score is the accumulation of all plays and calls made in a game. Wild stuff!

In Missouri you have to protest during the game. No protests are heard after the game has ended.

Page 19

https://www.mshsaa.org/resources/pdf...l%20Manual.pdf

What percentage of your coaches A) know this rule? B) Can find their rule book in 10 minutes?

c. Following this notification of protest, the head coach shall be allowed approximately ten minutes to use his/her National Federation Rules Book, National Federation Case Book, MSHSAA Rules Meeting Announcements and/or MSHSAA Sport Manual to locate and show the game official(s) the appropriate rule reference which clarifies a misapplication of the game rule.

If Collins Hills scores and wins it would seem that Discovery could file a protest with the GHSA saying that based on the GHSA constitution the original outcome should not have been subject to a protest. That would be an interesting response to see.

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This is the position I've taken for years since I joined the officiating fraternity almost 15 years ago. The action of one, i.e. the crew, was not the only factor that determined the final outcome. What happened in the previous 31:59 cannot be discounted. All participants in the game are accountable.

Family and friends that ask for my take on game situations and calls are put off by it, but so be it.

I would say 10% or less. My buddy who is the Coach at the school where I teach has used this successfully in the past.

How does the MO rule work? I assume the coach has an underling retrieve the rulebook and look through the book so he/she can continue coaching.

But what does the coach then do? Go to the table, similar to a CE? If the coach is correct, how is the error addressed? And what happens to all the 10 minutes of intervening activity? I assume that none of this is "undone," even if the result of the incorrect ruling. If the coach is wrong, is a TO charged?

Wow.

The ball is not in play during this 10 minute interval

You mean everything comes to a halt? For (possibly) ten minutes? What are the players allowed to do? I know Missouri is The Show Me State, but....

Correct. Teams go to their benches.

If Collin Hills scores, they'll have won both the original game and the 1 second replay. That seems fairly unlikely given 1 second remaining on the clock. (One wonders if the tenths were available and known as well). I think you mean if they Collin Hills doesn't score, they could protest that the first protest wasn't allowed. And I agree it would be utterly comical if a different appeals board upheld that appeal.
Assuming Collin Hills is in the bonus, one wonders if the slightest contact might not result in them getting free throws anyway :eek:

I'm torn on this subject and would love to hear reasoned thought on it as I think there are good arguments on both sides of this debate. Sure it opens up an utterly unresolvable Pandora's box of questions as to what to do when this happens if you don't keep the game final, so my instinct is to say that the rule that games are final is best. But is there any line at which you'd acknowledge the officiating was so bad that we shouldn't take their final decision. Consider this case for example. With .3 on the clock and Team A down by 5, the ball is inbounded touched, deflected around but the clock doesn't start. A1 grabs the loose ball thinking the game is over and runs into a half court heave for the basket. B1 running toward his team bench celebrating trips A1 on his way back to the ground. The officials deem the A1's shot counts since the clock didn't start but that time has now run out. They determine that B1's foul is a DBCT because the clock should have run out and award 2 free throws for the technical plus one for committing a technical on a shot. A1 sinks all three free throws to win. The result of the game determines who gets into the State Tournament. It comes out after the game that one of the referees had a personal issue with one of the coaches.
What about the same but they are down 7 and they give the coach a technical for saying "what?" loudly when he sees how this goes down.

Or how about this one, with 1 minute left and team A up by 23 points the referee announces "next shot wins." Team B scores 22 seconds later. The referee tells the scorer to give them 24 points and to sound the final horn and the referees leave.

But if you accept any of my utterly Third World Absurdities are enough to trigger doing something then this is merely a line drawing conversation about where to make the cutoff and not the hard and fast rule suggested by the book. And if you don't accept the last one, I'm tempted to question whether you have enough sense of fair play.
I know this seems black and white to many of you but I think it's more nuanced than you're acknowledging. I think the answer may turn on keeping the result unless it's absurd, but Discovery would certainly argue that giving them a technical foul for punching the ball out of bounds was an absurd way to end a game.

This happened here. Game ends in a tie and the player who tried to drive to win go and chest pumps the Lead and F bombs him. Technical foul. They misapply the rule and the T is shoot in regulation and its game over. If the coach told the state we should have had over time would you guys be upset that they had an OT at a later date.

In my opinion a misapplication like this at the end of the game is something that should be redone when the final mispplication affects only the end of the game. Not the 1st quarter.

The problem is that the rules don't support allowing a protest.

Additionally, the GHSA last spring overturned an umpire's judgment call despite the obvious rule preventing that. They denied the protest of a judgment call in a football game this fall. They just seem to do whatever feels good at the time with no thought to the rules or consistency.

You know, if I'm Collins Hill and I'm feeling frisky, I could easily file suit to stay the GSHA's decision based on the disregard for their own bylaws. And I'd probably eventually win the case.

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Discovery won the one second continuation, but Collins Hill won the rematch.

I wonder why they played the regularly scheduled game first, and then the replay? Seems logical that they should have done the 1 second thing first, and then played a full game.

Isn't this the same organization that played its State Championship games with the baskets positioned incorrectly a couple of years ago?

Good Memory.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...n-baskets.html

If schools are using an iPAD to keep stats on, I would hope they have downloaded the NFHS app with the rule book. Pretty easy to find the rules with a quick search.

So if I'm a coach, what prevents me from "protesting" to create an extra long time out? I take 5 minutes with my team while an assistant "looks for the rule book" and then say "sorry, you're right, my bad."

What a stupid rule. I wonder who's ox got gored to create that nonsense.

BS. In progress bad calls can be overcome. Last play bad calls cannot.

All the events leading up to it had the team winning the game. They earned it. Lost on the bad call.

All the events leading up to what should have been the last out gave the pitcher a perfect game. He earned it. Lost it on a bad call.

Lost an OT basketball game in HS because the timer delayed starting the clock.

Replay is there for a reason. Protests are there for a reason.

NAH. All of the above are what people cry about because:

1. it's the last thing that happens and is therefore the easiest thing to remember about the game.
2. fans and coaches would rather scapegoat than truly identify the myriad of reasons that led them to the point that one single thing toppled their precariously built house of cards

This logic is flawed. Just like an "in progress bad call" can be overcome, the team could have scored more points during the 32 minutes, so that the game was not so close at the end. Baskets scored in any of the 1,920 seconds are equally important. And if a bad call does occur, it doesn't matter when it occurs.

As Bob said, it is "ALL the events of the game" that determine the winner.

This is a great way for referees (and players) to feel better. But there is a difference. On a call that happens in the first half (or a shot that is missed), even if it is a close game, it is never possible to say with certainty "but for that missed call [or shot] we would have won the game," as the events that followed would have been different if the score were different, etc.

But when the mistake by the referee (or player) happens at or about the buzzer, we do know that but for that mistake, the outcome would have been different. Of course, and perhaps really the point you were making, that doesn't mean that mistake (by player or referee) was the sole cause of the end result, but it definitely changed the result.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing for the "refs cost us the game," because as noted there are a zillion events that went into the result. (And I've seen very, very few games where that is a fair statement--not zero, but very, very few.) And I agree that, in most games, the mistakes by the referees roughly balance out over the course of a game (and if not a game, a season). But that doesn't mean that a referee mistake at the end of a game didn't change the result of a game.

I don't think that he is arguing that a mistake by the official(s) could have changed the outcome of the game. I think the point is that mistakes by a player, team, coach, or official throughout the course of the game can have an effect on the outcome. You shouldn't get to pinpoint one of infinite possibilities because it happens at the end of the game.

That is a bit like viewing video from a play and saying it would be a foul in the first minute of a game but not the last. That is not how officiating or rules work.

Team B leading, 50-49. A1 goes for a layup, and as the ball is in the air, the final buzzer sounds, the ball enters the basket, and airborne A1 and B1 collide. If you call charge, B wins. If you call a block or no-call, A wins. There are some here saying that your call determines the outcome. And I say….how can we ignore the other 99 points? (and missed shots, violations, etc…..)

Correct me if I am wrong but this would be a no call. I don't believe that you can have a common foul after the buzzer/time expiration.

Does the expiration of time always cause the ball to become dead?

Also you need to read Rule 4-19-1.

You're wrong.

EXCEPTION: The ball does not become dead until the try or tap ends, or until the airborne
shooter returns to the floor, when:
a. Article 5, 6, or 7 occurs while a try or tap for a field goal is in flight.
b. Article 5 or 7 occurs while a try for a free throw is in flight.
c. Article 7 occurs by any opponent of a player who has started a try or tap for goal (is in the
act of shooting) before the foul occurred, provided time did not expire before the ball was in
flight. The trying motion must be continuous and begins after the ball comes to rest in the
player’s hand(s) on a try or touches the hand(s) on a tap, and is completed when the ball is
clearly in flight. The trying motion may include arm, foot or body movements used by the
player when throwing the ball at his/her basket.
d. Article 9 as in 9-3-3 or 9-13-1, occurs by an opponent.