Posession Arrow

[Beaverfan]

Not a ref, a stupid youth coach.

Possession arrow is in my favor. A jump ball is called and i take the ball out baseline. My kids freak out and don't get the ball inbounded. Ball never leaves the inbounders hand. 5 second violation is called and we turn the ball over. My question is since the ball was never inbounded, the possession arrow stays with me correct?

[Rich]

No. Violation by A. You lose the arrow.


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[Beaverfan]

but the arrow doesn't change until the ball is touched. So shouldn't it stay with me?

[Rich]

No.

When the throw in team violates, they lose the ball and the arrow, by rule.


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[Anidis]

From another lurker-coach:

Would you be willing to provide a list of times when the possession arrow does not change following the award of possession?

Thanks in advance!

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Anidis

From another lurker-coach:

Would you be willing to provide a list of times when the possession arrow does not change following the award of possession?

Thanks in advance!

1. A foul.
2. Ball not legally touched (usually the defense)
3. Defensive team commits a violation (look at #2)

Not aware of any more reasons it would not change.

Peace

[SNIPERBBB]

It's a short list, it does not change if:
Either team commits a foul or the defensive team commits a violation before the throw-in ends.

[pfan1981]

A foul by either team, the arrow does not change.

A violation by the defensive team, the arrow doesn’t change.

The last game I worked, my partner had a thrower almost to a five count, he throws to throw it off the defender and the defender ends up kicking it. Told my partner that if that was an AP throw in that the arrow wouldn’t change. I was the C and told the coach as well. He admitted he didn’t know that but appreciated the rules knowledge.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by pfan1981

A foul by either team, the arrow does not change.



A violation by the defensive team, the arrow doesn’t change.



The last game I worked, my partner had a thrower almost to a five count, he throws to throw it off the defender and the defender ends up kicking it. Told my partner that if that was an AP throw in that the arrow wouldn’t change. I was the C and told the coach as well. He admitted he didn’t know that but appreciated the rules knowledge.

Why would you ever give a hypothetical situation to a coach? To show how "smart" you are?


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[DrPete]

The only way I can imagine that the defense could violate on a throw in is by a kicked ball. There probably are other ways, but may be even less common.

[sdoebler]

I miss spoke

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by sdoebler

This is not correct, if the offensive team commits a team control foul before the throw in ends the arrow does change.

Dude, seriously. Listen to what people are trying to tell you. The arrow only changes under two conditions:

1) When the AP throw-in is completed.
2) When the throw-in team violates.

That's it. That's the list.

Foul = NO ARROW CHANGE.

Edited to add citation: Rule 6-4-5

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Anidis

From another lurker-coach:

Would you be willing to provide a list of times when the possession arrow does not change following the award of possession?

Thanks in advance!

It's easier to say when it changes: When the throw-in ends.

And, the throw-in ends when the ball is legally touched on the court OR the inbounding team violates. (The OP forgot / didn't know the second half of that rule)

[Rich]

I can't stand when table people try to tell you how to run the game.

I'll whistle in a sub and the scorer will argue the sub didn't quite get to the X and try to force the sub back.


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[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rich

I can't stand when table people try to tell you how to run the game.

I'll whistle in a sub and the scorer will argue the sub didn't quite get to the X and try to force the sub back.


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I had a table the other night that was telling us about the opponents having their waistbands rolled down....SMH