Travel then foul? Or just block/charg call (Video)
 

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Peace

An obvious travel which hasn't been called in college in several years and has trickled down to high school enough that I have finally stopped calling it myself, because I don't want to be the only one.

Hard to legally defend an opponent who is allowed extra foot movement.

Calling the travel would've been so much easier and kept that player in the game much longer.

Hmm...I'd say its the opposite with my main HS board here. Our interpreter has made spin move travels a point of emphasis for several years now.

I'm calling them more and more.

This one is super obvious. He not only replaces his pivot foot but then gets away with another step.

If the travel is ignored, then I think it's a charge -- but it's close. IN NCAAM they might have special emphasis on the defender continuing to move "UP" to vertical -- and this might be the reason for the call.

Same. I used to be the guy to get this, but no longer.

It did not trickle down to high school, this was almost never called in high school as long as I could remember. High school officials just do not call other travels as well, this is just one of them that I never see called.

Peace

This is not the only one that is not called, but this one may be the most obvious. It seems that this play continues to evolve. Not so long ago when a video like this was posted, somebody would comment that it may not be a travel because it was "unclear when the gather was completed." So now does everyone agree that this play is a travel? And do we all agree that in college (at least the ones on tv) it is never called?

I have been calling this play a travel more this season in both college and high school games. The slower and more awkward the spin the more likely I am to call a travel, because it is more obvious to everybody that it is a travel.

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Question.....don't you all feel that you will get more grief than anything if you start calling these at the high school level? Nearly every spin move is a travel by rule since the pivot foot comes back to the ground.

I have called the obvious ones (bad spin moves) and I still get grief about it from officials (smh) and coaches.

What do you think?

You will get grief from coaches who like to complain regardless. Call the rules as written and you can't be wrong. I could give two cents about a coach arguing when I know I am correct. Explain what he did wrong and move on.

I can understand why quick and tight spin moves are not called travels; it is sometimes difficult to recognize the end of the dribble, which one is the pivot, etc but this one is a slow and sloppy spin move. I am calling that a travel every day of the week. As far as the block/charge, I think the defender got there a hair late so was still coming forward, but I agree that travel should be called at all levels.

Sadly this is me as well.

+1

"Good" spin moves may be travels by rule, but on a macro level, the game of basketball doesn't 'want' this move to be illegal.

Then the rules makers should add this to the travel rule as an exception, much like the jump stop.

Which, in actuality, a spin move is.

I don't disagree. But really, allowing this is much like not calling travels on the catch during fast breaks, because those are almost always travels as well. So are a good number off simple lay-ups. The "2-beats" philosophy that defines an NBA travel has essentially become the unwritten standard at the collegiate and HS levels as well. The players, coaches, fans, administrators and the overwhelming majority of officials are okay with it.

There are other violations we should get better at calling though, particularly the travels at the beginning of a dribble drive.

No it's not. No one picks up both feet and then returns them both to the floor during a spin movie.

Like I have said before, we are awful as officials in calling travels. We either call the ones that are not there but not understanding the rule (like a Jump Stop) or we totally ignore moves like spins or even the move before the dribble drive where clearly there are travels.

I posted this play because we seem to miss an obvious travel but then penalize the defensive team again by calling a foul. I can certainly see a coach being very upset by that situation.

Peace

They could, but since they don't, it becomes illegal. And yes, I've seen it. Rarely, but I've seen it.

And if officials ref'd spin moves with the same principles they ref jump stops, they would call more travels and be correct.

Maybe it's area / level dependent, but I get more questions about no-calls ("bob -- why wasn't that a travel?") then I do about calls -- on drives, stuttersteps, legal (in my view, at least) spin moves, etc.

I have called this several times this year and have seen partners call it too. It is called more than it has been before.

I also think that as a whole we call too many travels that really aren't simply because they look funny.