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Who shoots?
If B1 face guards A1 to the level of a technical foul does A1 shoot or does the coach pick anyone?
If B1 throws a punch at A1 and misses does A1 shoot or does anyone? Any rules reference will be appreciated.
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Rule 8-3 allows any player to shoot the free throws for a technical foul. In your first situation, that is the case. For the punch, it will be flagrant, but it depends on when the punch occurred:
Live ball - flagrant personal foul, DQ, A1 shoots Dead ball - flagrant T, DQ, any player on team A shoots |
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Fighting is a flagrant technical foul regardless of contact. So a swing and a miss is treated the same as if you throw a punch and connect.
Anyone can shoot technicals that are eligible to play in the game. Peace
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There is also this case play from a few years back 10.4.5 SITUATION A: Post-players A1 and B1 begin punching each other and play is stopped. Two substitutes from each team leave the bench area and come onto the court. The four substitutes: (a) do not become involved in the fight; (b)all become involved in the fight; or (c) substitutes A6, A7, and B6 do not participate in the fight, but B7 becomes involved in the fight. RULING: A1 and B1 are charged with flagrant fouls and are disqualified, but no free throws result from the double personal flagrant fouls... |
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At best, the rules are contradictory here. There are two competing rules.....the one that says live ball contact is a personal foul and another that says that fighting is a technical foul. The situation above does imply that the personal rule takes precedence but that is only by interpretation, not by rule. I have no problem with that interpretation. It has to be one or the other and the distinction is not likely to matter. The player is DQ'd either way. If it involves two players (and most fights do), there is no practical difference. Even if it involves one player, the only differences that really matters is who shoots the FT. The throwin spot will differ but that isn't likely to matter as much.
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More importantly, this case play is not even about personal fouls, but rather about the substitutes leaving the bench.
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Interesting.
So fighting where contact is made while the ball is live may, in theory, be an exception to the premise that "all live ball contact is a personal foul." I never thought of it this way until I saw the Rule 10 reference. The difference between a flagrant T and flagrant personal being the shooter and where the throw-in takes place. NCAA-W made this easy by going to the "disqualifying foul" designation this year. |
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Live ball punch or kick which makes contact = flagrant personal foul Live ball punch or kick which fails to make contact = flagrant technical foul I believe that the Case Book clarifies the broad statement in the Rules Book for fighting. |
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