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benbret Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:35pm

Double Foul
 
NFHS rules. Player 21 on A shoots a shot. The ball has clearly left his hands and is in the air when U2 from lead calls a double foul on A22 and B14. If the shot goes in does it count or is the ball dead when lead blew his whistle for the Double foul.

Big_Blue_Wannabe Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:36pm

Count it.


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BillyMac Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:42pm

Released ...
 
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Originally Posted by benbret (Post 1014236)
NFHS rules. Player 21 on A shoots a shot. The ball has clearly left his hands and is in the air when U2 from lead calls a double foul on A22 and B14. If the shot goes in does it count or is the ball dead when lead blew his whistle for the Double foul.

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Originally Posted by Big_Blue_Wannabe (Post 1014237)
Count it.

Agree.

Key: Ball is released on a try.

crosscountry55 Fri Jan 05, 2018 11:47pm

Yup, and then you go point of interruption. So if the shot was made, POI is a non-designated spot throw in for B. If it wasn't, then you go to the arrow since there was no team control when the double foul occurred.

bob jenkins Sat Jan 06, 2018 08:50am

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Originally Posted by benbret (Post 1014236)
NFHS rules. Player 21 on A shoots a shot. The ball has clearly left his hands and is in the air when U2 from lead calls a double foul on A22 and B14. If the shot goes in does it count or is the ball dead when lead blew his whistle for the Double foul.

If A1 hasn't started the try, then give the ball back to A.

But, what if A1 has started the try, but the ball hasn't left his hands? one rule says "if the offense fouls, the ball is dead." Another rule says," if the defense fouls, allow continuous motion." Which takes precedence?

We had a long, long discussion on this a while ago, but I don't remember the answer.

Scrapper1 Sat Jan 06, 2018 09:22am

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Originally Posted by benbret (Post 1014236)
is the ball dead when lead blew his whistle for the Double foul.

This is directly addressed in Rule 6. Rule 6 defines how a ball becomes live and how the ball becomes dead. More importantly for your situation, it lists the EXCEPTIONS to when the official's whistle causes the ball to become dead. Couldn't hurt to review those exceptions.

billyu2 Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:14pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 1014254)
If A1 hasn't started the try, then give the ball back to A.

But, what if A1 has started the try, but the ball hasn't left his hands? one rule says "if the offense fouls, the ball is dead." Another rule says," if the defense fouls, allow continuous motion." Which takes precedence?

We had a long, long discussion on this a while ago, but I don't remember the answer.

Don't believe either rule applies. Rule 4-36 Point of Interruption 2a says resume play following a double personal with a throw in to the team that was in control. Since A1 hadn't released the try, there is still team control for Team A.


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