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Terrapins Fan Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:51am

If it were a technical foul for uniform violations, uniform violations would go away.

Camron Rust Wed Dec 27, 2017 07:15pm

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Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan (Post 1013673)
If it were a technical foul for uniform violations, uniform violations would go away.

Probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

BigT Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by camron rust (Post 1013691)
probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

+1

SC Official Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by Mregor (Post 1013660)
You think that's bad, I had a home team show up in gray jerseys (in holiday tournament game). How long has white been required now?

I’ve had a couple teams whose road color is light gray. On one occasion (in a subvarsity game) the home team asked if they could change to their black jerseys at halftime because the coach said it was too confusing (we allowed it).

There’s one girls team in my neck of the woods whose home jerseys are yellow for some reason, and they have a waiver from the state office in their scorebook. As long as the two colors are contrasting, whether the home team is wearing white or not, I’m not giving a T to the head coach.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 28, 2017 01:21pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1013691)
Probably not. You'd have to actually get people to call them. It is hard enough to get people to deal with them now.

Exhibit A:

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1013715)
whether the home team is wearing white or not, I’m not giving a T to the head coach.


The_Rookie Sun Aug 12, 2018 01:03am

[QUOTE=BillyMac;1013653]Not so here in my little corner of Connecticut. Many officials either don't understand the rule, don't bother to look, or if they do look, don't bother to enforce it.

Especially true in girls games where many officials don't realize that underwrap wrapped around the head is a headband (thus falling under headband color restrictions), probably confusing them with hair control devices, or that "Skylar Diggins" tails are illegal.

Only a single headband may be worn on the head, and headbands are not allowed to have extensions or tails. There is a wider array of legal color options for other equipment items such as headbands, wristbands, arm sleeves, knee sleeves, lower leg sleeves, compression shorts, and tights. All of these equipment items must be the solid color black, white, beige, or the predominant color of the uniform jersey.

On the issue of the "Skylar Diggins" headband. Is the headband itself illegal or just the tails? For enforcement, do you have players remove the whole thing or just ask them to tuck in the tails and play on?

BillyMac Sun Aug 12, 2018 09:35am

When In Rome ...
 
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Originally Posted by The_Rookie (Post 1023647)
... the "Skylar Diggins" headband ... For enforcement, do you have players remove the whole thing or just ask them to tuck in the tails and play on?

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Skylar Diggins (Notre Dame 2009-2013, WNBA 2013-Present), as an All-American point guard for the Notre Dame Fighting Irish popularized knotted headbands with long loose ends. In 2015, the NFHS ruled that headbands must be without extensions.

I would prefer to tell them they can't play with the "Skylar Diggins" headband, but that doesn't appear to be the standard operating procedure here in my little corner of Connecticut, so I would stick out like a sore thumb (Overly Officious Official) if I did, so I just reluctantly tell them to tuck in the tails.

The usual caveat, check your local listings.

bob jenkins Mon Aug 13, 2018 03:49pm

Zombie thread alert

BubbaRef Fri Aug 17, 2018 09:38am

I refereed Danville several times last year and only 1 time did we have to tell that same player to take off his undershirt. He obliged and didnt have any issues.

I think some players know who they can and cant get away with things and always push the limits.

JRutledge Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:40am

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Originally Posted by BubbaRef (Post 1023827)
I refereed Danville several times last year and only 1 time did we have to tell that same player to take off his undershirt. He obliged and didnt have any issues.

I think some players know who they can and cant get away with things and always push the limits.

I have had Danville in the playoffs a couple years back and this was not an issue and I do not recall this player having this issue. If it was, it was certainly corrected as my partners were State Final Officials as well.

I think I was at this event but did not work this particular game. I simply do not remember for sure, but it appears this is Orr High School in Chicago (who that documentary was about on Fox) and done by officials that might not be as stringent about these things in general. If that is the case, I am not surprised this took place or might not have been corrected. But that is speculation at this time.

Peace

bucky Fri Aug 17, 2018 04:10pm

Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.

Big_Blue_Wannabe Mon Aug 20, 2018 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1023834)
Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.



In my association, we actually make an effort to address it EARLY in the season. We have found that by doing so, we don’t seem to have to deal with it later in the year, except for with visiting teams to our area.


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Big_Blue_Wannabe Mon Aug 20, 2018 07:22pm

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Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 1013652)
... what is the penalty if they don't comply? Send in a report to the state? That will take weeks to correct things and who is supposed to ensure it is followed through with?


The penalty for illegal uniforms, undershirts and gear is, the player can’t play until it is corrected. You send the player to the bench and let the coach know he can’t re-enter the game until the problem has been corrected.



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BillyMac Tue Aug 21, 2018 05:45am

Illegal Uniforms (Including Illegal Numbers) ...
 
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Originally Posted by Big_Blue_Wannabe (Post 1023905)
The penalty for illegal uniforms, undershirts and gear is, the player can’t play until it is corrected. You send the player to the bench and let the coach know he can’t re-enter the game until the problem has been corrected.

Not true for an illegal uniform. A coach can "buy" his player with an illegal uniform into the game, the "expense" being a technical foul. No penalty if the team member with an illegal uniform doesn't participate, and stays on the bench the entire game.

A player with illegal equipment can't get into the game at any expense and can’t play until it is corrected.

If a team member participates as a player while wearing an illegal uniform, then a direct technical foul is charged to the head coach, who will lose the coaching box privilege for the remainder of the game. This infraction is penalized when discovered, and the team member with the illegal uniform may participate without further penalty and is not required to change the number. A maximum of one technical foul shall be charged directly to the head coach regardless of the number of offenders.

SC Official Tue Aug 21, 2018 08:01am

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1023834)
Generally speaking, the later in the season it is, the more I care.

If it is February, I assume (normally correctly) that my peers were not handling business in November. That being said, I always enforce fashion police rules, more strictly in the early season.

However, if a team has been wearing gold uniforms at home the entire season, I am not going to be the first to give a direct T to the head coach. Most likely the team has an exemption from the state anyway (there is one girls team in my area like this).


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