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ChuckS Fri Dec 22, 2017 08:26am

Fight in NCAAW-D3 game
 
Just wondering how the crew did here - for the education of us all! (especially those of us who have never had to deal with a "brawl")

https://youtu.be/6C7yXolNZ8k

Scrapper1 Fri Dec 22, 2017 09:22am

Nobody even looked at the benches.

Matt S. Fri Dec 22, 2017 09:34am

no antennas
 
30 seconds left in a 9 point game... there HAS to be situational awareness among the crew - without knowing what's happened in the first 39:30 we cannot assume, but if there wasn't any tension before this point, I'd be shocked.

The 'C' needs to be more proactive before things get out of control.

But the highlight for me is the horn after the one team has left the court!

scrounge Fri Dec 22, 2017 09:43am

Easier to count who's still in the game than who's ejected

ballgame99 Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:13am

This one is definitely on the C, I can see that the T is distracted by whatever is going on at the throw in spot, but the C should be watching this action and come in to clean it up. There were several T worthy shoves in there before the meylay. Can't see what the L is doing, but he could probably have helped in this too. And if you notice, the girl in white who is down on the block is the match on this fire. She runs up on one of the other girls and really gets things going. If the C could have come in and kept it from getting to that point the whole crisis is avoided.

AremRed Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:14am

The #1 cause of fights escalating is the benches coming onto the court. We cannot rely on HS and small college assistants doing their job and keeping their bench under control, which is why I pregame that two guys closest to the benches should head there immediately. At the D1 and NBA level, 1) the assistants are better and 2) they have replay. Not a luxury we have at the lower level.

JRutledge Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:36am

We also do not know the media status of this game. Some D3 games have video they can review. If that is the case here, it is possible that they could have looked at a monitor to review the play for who is responsible. It is possible that the officials were not worried about certain things as they might be able to look at it and determine who is still in the game along with what they observed. I am not going to rip them too much without that nugget of fact.

Peace

justacoach Fri Dec 22, 2017 02:30pm

Any video of the second round in the parking lot?
 
N.J. college basketball coach suspended after post-game brawl | NJ.com

Stat-Man Fri Dec 22, 2017 04:46pm

I've had players jostle for throw-in positions in games I've officiated. I immediately close in to to address it and try to prevent something like this from happening. This is one example why the NFHS made dead ball officiating a POE a few years ago. I'd think NCAA expects its officials to remain alert on dead balls as well.

As for the the video, I can't help wondering what the C was doing or observing that she didn't react until the jostling turned into pushing and shoving. I agree with baller99 that the L may have been able to come in and address this when the C missed it. While I'm unfamiliar with NCAA mechanics, he only had two players in his area, leading me to think he could have extended his coverage and seen what was going on and done something, even if was to make sure the two players in his area didn't participate in the fight.

While nobody appeared to watch the benches, and the camera angle isn't conducive for seeing how many people from each bench left the area, my hypothesis is that each team would have played the final seconds with less than five players if the game could continue by rule.

JRutledge Sat Dec 23, 2017 05:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1013558)
As for the the video, I can't help wondering what the C was doing or observing that she didn't react until the jostling turned into pushing and shoving. I agree with baller99 that the L may have been able to come in and address this when the C missed it. While I'm unfamiliar with NCAA mechanics, he only had two players in his area, leading me to think he could have extended his coverage and seen what was going on and done something, even if was to make sure the two players in his area didn't participate in the fight.

I was actually kind of shocked after looking at the video as to how disengaged the officials were. It was like they were not even looking. All that had to be done was a "whistle" a couple of times and then you would have stopped everything, then go to the players and tell them "Stop pushing" or "You know this could be really bad for you if this continues?" I bet then they stop pushing or if they continue, they were warned. And then you likely have nothing else goes on at least during this sequence. Stuff like this happens often during the season and it usually stops if you just stop everything and talk to the players. Even if it is just two players during a throw-in when they start putting their hands on each other.

I wonder in situations like this do the officials have that kind of game experience to know when to stop something so simple. Just because it is college ball, does not mean you know how to deal with situations.

Peace

BillyMac Sat Dec 23, 2017 06:31pm

Zebras And Ostriches ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1013586)
... All that had to be done was a "whistle" a couple of times and then you would have stopped everything, then go to the players and tell them "Stop pushing"

Agree 100%. Address, don't ignore.

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