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bigbeardedbryan Tue Dec 19, 2017 07:51pm

Last-second shot coverage in transition
 
Had a gentlemen's disagreement last night regarding when the old lead becomes the new trail in transition, catalyzed by two turnovers with fewer than two seconds on the clock.

The NFHS manual seems not to cover this explicitly. What say you all?

AremRed Tue Dec 19, 2017 07:58pm

What is there to discuss? Whoever is the Trail the moment the shot is taken has the clock.

SNIPERBBB Tue Dec 19, 2017 08:02pm

Two man, the Trail is responsible for last second shot, page 47 of the NFHS manual.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 19, 2017 08:32pm

In a last second transition, the convention here is that he lead will take a shot in the frontcourt until the trial is in the frontcourt. You don't want a trail having to make that call from 80 feet away after administering a throwin on the backcourt endline with 2-3 seconds on the clock or racing to get to the frontcourt and making that call on a sprint.

bigbeardedbryan Tue Dec 19, 2017 08:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1013375)
In a last second transition, the convention here is that he lead will take a shot in the frontcourt until the trial is in the frontcourt.

This was one of the mechanics suggested in our disagreement, with the by-the-manual, trail-is-trail approach being the other.

I posted out of interest in how this is handled by others at all levels.

JRutledge Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:49pm

It should be the Trail in 2 man and Center/Trail, opposite the table in 3 man.

It should be that way always unless you discuss to change it by circumstance. For example, if you have a length of the court play that might be in front of the lead or a tableside official then that should be the change. Usually during the last few seconds or even minute if you have time to discuss.

Peace

bob jenkins Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbeardedbryan (Post 1013372)
Had a gentlemen's disagreement last night regarding when the old lead becomes the new trail in transition, catalyzed by two turnovers with fewer than two seconds on the clock.

The NFHS manual seems not to cover this explicitly. What say you all?

Well, the old L becomes the new T as soon as the "defense" gains control.

But, that doesn't really answer your question.

Here, at least in my pre-games, if we're all in the FC or all in the BC, T has responsibility. Otherwise, if it's a long pas and a short shot, L has it; if it's a short pass and a long shot, T has it.

hamnegger Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:14pm

How do you guys handle when there is only 1 clock in one direction and trail has back to that clock?

JRutledge Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by hamnegger (Post 1013476)
How do you guys handle when there is only 1 clock in one direction and trail has back to that clock?

I do not go by the clock. The rule is about the horn, not the clock (which if you look at many arenas, the clocks can be totally different by a tenth of a second or two). So why would we need to view the clock? And what are you going to do if you watch the clock and miss the play? We do not have replay, so we should not be looking at the clock to make a call.

Peace

bob jenkins Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hamnegger (Post 1013476)
How do you guys handle when there is only 1 clock in one direction and trail has back to that clock?

Two options:

1) Have both (all) officials stand on the endline, facing the clock, with all the action on the playing court behind them.

2) Just officiate and use your ears -- just as we do when there are clocks at both ends, on both sides and above each backboard.


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