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Frankienova

my thought is if you bobble the ball after dribbling and stop your dribble can you start up your dribble? no change of possession so how can you restart your dribble by an intentional throw of the opponents leg ?

SNIPERBBB

9.5.3 SITUATION:

A1 is dribbling in backcourt and ends the dribble, but defensive pressure prevents a pass to A2. A1 then passes the ball so it touches B1. A1 recovers the loose ball in backcourt and dribbles again.

RULING: No violation. When A1's pass was touched by, or touched, another player, he/she may start a new dribble. The 10-second backcourt count continues

deecee

a bobble and an intentional act are 2 different things. By your logic if I pass to a teammate and they pass the ball back to me I cannot dribble because there hasn't been change in possession. Although I know you meant "personal" possession versus team, terminology is important.

BillyMac

9-5 Illegal Dribble: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

BillyMac

BillyMac wrote
9-5 Illegal Dribble: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

A little twist to make it more interesting. Something that I've never seen happen, and probably never will see it happen, but it can.

A1 dribbles and unexpectedly, for whatever reason (sees his girlfriend in the stands), ends his dribble. A2 runs toward A1 and touches the ball. A1 starts to dribble. You make the call.

Stat-Man

BillyMac wrote
A little twist to make it more interesting. Something that I've never seen happen, and probably never will see it happen, but it can.

A1 dribbles and unexpectedly, for whatever reason (sees his girlfriend in the stands), ends is dribble. A2 runs toward A1 and touches the ball. A1 starts to dribble. You make the call.

Applying Rule 9-5:

Not a try for a field goal,
Not a touch by an opponent,
Not a pass or fumble that has touched, or has been touched by, another player.

Illegal (double) dribble.

LRZ

It's not even "lost control because of."

BillyMac

Stat-Man wrote
Illegal (double) dribble.

LRZ wrote
It's not even "lost control because of."

Exactly as I would rule the first time that I see it.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
Exactly as I would rule the first time that I see it.

Why even bring up the question when you already posted the rule that said it had to be a touch by an opponent?

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BillyMac

Raymond wrote
Why even bring up the question when you already posted the rule that said it had to be a touch by an opponent?

While a simple touch by an opponent would allow a new dribble, the same touch by a teammate would not allow a new dribble; it would have to be a pass or fumble that was touched by a teammate.

Raymond

BillyMac wrote
While a simple touch by an opponent would allow a new dribble, the same touch by a teammate would not allow a new dribble; it would have to be a pass or fumble that was touched by a teammate.

Exactly, and the rule you posted said it had to be a touch by an opponent.

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just another ref

BillyMac wrote
While a simple touch by an opponent would allow a new dribble, the same touch by a teammate would not allow a new dribble; it would have to be a pass or fumble that was touched by a teammate.

If a player is holding the ball and it is touched by the opponent, are you saying that alone means he can start a new dribble?

BillyMac

just another ref wrote
If a player is holding the ball and it is touched by the opponent, are you saying that alone means he can start a new dribble?

By the written rule, yes I am.

But I'm open to other interpretations (this is why I posted this situation).

just another ref

BillyMac wrote
By the written rule, yes I am.

9-5 Illegal Dribble: A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended, unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

But I'm open to other interpretations (this is why I posted this situation).

🙂

Raymond

It doesn't say a mere touch. It says "after he/she has lost control because of:.. a touch by an opponent"

So no, an offendive teammate cannot just come over and slap the ball out of your hand so you can dribble again.

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BillyMac

just another ref wrote
🙂

I had it right, then I had it wrong. A case of paying more attention to the articles than to the introductory clause. Thanks for the correction.