Test results
 

We got our test results today. I have serious issues with a couple of questions. Perhaps somebody here can point out what I'm missing.

It is possible for a charge to be called on the offensive player while the defensive player is moving.

I put true and it's marked wrong.


???

And here's the other: A1 dives for a loose ball, gaining possession, and coming to a stop. A1 then releases the ball on the floor, gets up, and picks up the ball. The official signals a traveling violation.

This is true, is it not?

Yes. Once a defensive player has obtained (NFHS) a LGP, he/she may move to maintain it and if there is contact with the player in control of the ball when the contact occurs, the offensive player is responsible for the contact as long as the defensive player is not moving obliquely toward the player with the ball.

I do not have my rules books with me but you will fund the definition of LGP in Rule 4 under Guarding in the NFHS, NCAA Men's, and NCAA Women's Rules Books. The wording will be exactly the same except that the NCAA still uses the word "establish" instead of the word "obtain". The NFHS made the change about 20 years ago. The FIBA definition is also exactly the same (it also uses the word " establish") but I do not remember which Rule it is in in the FUBA Rules Book.

MTD, Sr.

You are correct on both questions.

Don't you have to have possession of the ball for it to be traveling...

Yes, with one exception -- and this is it. 4.44.5B

This is the "one exception" to the travelling rule that is often cited on this board.

Here's rule 4.44.5B

ART. 5

Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. The limits on foot movements are as follows:

A player holding the ball:

a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.

b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

Please explain how pertains to the original post...

Close, you actually quoted 4-44-5. There’s a difference.

Now consult your Case Book.

Bob cited a case book play. The exact one for this situation. You quoted the rule. Rules are dashes, case book plays are ....periods.

As shown on page 2 of the case book.

You can count on a couple wrong answers on the NFHS test every year. Not sure if it is poor proofreading on their part or what, but there are almost always at least 2 that the "answer key" has wrong. If that gets us into our rule and case books more deeply, so be it.

Let's Go To The Videotape ...
 

Always listen to bob.

4.44.5 SITUATION B: A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control.
A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without
violating? RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once
A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her
back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is traveling
unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises
and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

I've never understood why that isn't considered a dribble. But it isn't.

And then, to me, it gets metaphysical. If it bounces, it's a dribble, right? And is it possible to put down the ball without some bounce? So how much bounce before it becomes a dribble instead of a travel?

The key word here is "put." In the case above the player is said to "put" the ball on the floor. In the start of a dribble the player is said to "push the ball to the floor." This indicates a bounce.

Probably because it would be a little more difficult to control it in the form of a dribble and just putting the ball down on the floor. As a dribble, it has some greater change of getting away from the player.

I always thought that it was to show who the cheaters are. The people who get a copy of the answer key will get 100% while clearly answering those two or three questions incorrectly. Nearly everyone else in the group who reads and answers the questions with their own mind will have those questions scored as incorrect, but the test-giver will know that they really know the rule and didn't cheat.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's it. :rolleyes:

Any of you cheaters who read this, make sure you get a few wrong so you don't bring attention to yourself.

If it were true, it wouldn't be about getting a couple of random questions wrong. It would be a couple of very specific questions that no one should get wrong. Sort of the "control" in the experiment.

That said, I doubt the NFHS is doing that.

Interesting thought...I used to send messages to the NFHS asking for clarification on some of those "wrong" answers. Most of the time they would admit the mistake. Then Washington started using their own tests and not the NFHS one. So I didn't care anymore.

I was joking. The whole idea is stupid.

This was my thought as well....Seems it would be an illegal dribble and not traveling...

I say just make it legal.;)

I'm using that as the reason I've never gotten a perfect score! Thanks. :o

Could we make it legal in one state first. Lets say Colorado . . . then we can see how it works there ;)