Maui Invitational Video Plays (Marq vs Wichita St)

[JRutledge]

Play #1:



Play #2:


A few more to come.

Peace

[ballgame99]

And play 1 would still be a violation under NFHS rules. (And I will still get yelled at and a bad rating from the coach when I call it)

Play 2 I look forward to what you guys say, I don't think that should be a foul, but I'm not sure why.

[Zoochy]

1) BC violation (in High School)
2) What did the defender do wrong?
-Jumped sideways.
-Landed on ground w/o contact
-Did Not move towards shooter

Call an Offensive call on the shooter for jumping into defender. Shooter initiated contact. Or call nothing

[JRutledge]

Play #3:



Peace

[#olderthanilook]

The announcers really annoyed me during a sequence when the springy haired WSU player was called for a block along the sideline between center court and the 28 ft line, then was called for a charge a few minutes later.

I know I strongly disagreed with their analysis of the sideline block - they couldn't be more sure that it should have been ruled a charge and were upset about it. However, the defender's right foot was OOB. Therefore, no LGP in NFHS rules. Not sure about Collegiate rules.

Would like to see the video and hear from college level officials about that specific play.

[Camron Rust]

Play 3 should have been a block. The L had a poor angle to see the continued movement that brought the defender barely into the shooter's path after the shooter was airborne. If not for the continued movement, there would have been no contact.

[crosscountry55]

I’m with AremRed. Looked at the video several times and while it was close, the defender had not returned to the ground at the point of contact. Even if he had, he might still have been moving toward his opponent which is not maintenance of LGP.

You can say that if the ball handler hadn’t stepped into the defender when shooting, contact may not have occurred. Ok, sure. But what’s to say the ball handler is required to honor an illegal defender and pull up? The answer is....nothing. Good heads up play by the shooter to draw the foul because he sensed the defender committed to the block too soon. Even better correct call by the crew.


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[cmcramer]

Play two? Foul on defender. Are we to believe a shooter might have to freeze in a step back posture because the defender fell for a shot fake and jumped toward the shooter? Shooter can't even stand up straight? Although not precisely the same....this previous discussion worked this play over pretty well.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...nder-move.html

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by cmcramer

Play two? Foul on defender. Are we to believe a shooter might have to freeze in a step back posture because the defender fell for a shot fake and jumped toward the shooter? Shooter can't even stand up straight? Although not precisely the same....this previous discussion worked this play over pretty well.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...nder-move.html

The defender did not jump into the shooter.

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Originally Posted by Raymond

The defender did not jump into the shooter.

Is the defender legal?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is the defender legal?

Was the defender even Airborne when contact was made? Or had his first foot already hit the ground and the shooter stepped into him?

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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is the defender legal?

He has a right to his spot. And he is not responsible for contact when a shooter throws himself into his position. The NCAA made this very clear they do not want this to be a foul on the defender when the there would be no contact as a result of the shooter's unnatural motion into him.

Peace

[deecee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Is the defender legal?

Simply saying a defender isn't "legal" isn't grounds to call a foul on him all the time. Unless covered by situation/rules a better use is "what did the defender do wrong?"

The offensive player jumped into the defender simply to "draw" a foul and in no way looked natural. I'm passing on this unless told otherwise.