Maui Invitational Video Plays (Marq vs Wichita St)

[deecee]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Offense initiating the contact only matters if it is into a legal defender. The defender is this play is not legal.

It looks like the defender just lands when the offensive player takes off. He's entitled to his spot. If the shooter jumped earlier I would definitely agree with you, this just looks a no-call.

Originally Posted by deecee

It looks like the defender just lands when the offensive player takes off. He's entitled to his spot. If the shooter jumped earlier I would definitely agree with you, this just looks a no-call.

We are there to call obvious fouls. I don't think the defender is obviously on the ground when contact occurs, thus I think we should lean towards a foul here. I think it's telling that both guys had it -- that's the expectation at this level.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by AremRed

We are there to call obvious fouls. I don't think the defender is obviously on the ground when contact occurs, thus I think we should lean towards a foul here. I think it's telling that both guys had it -- that's the expectation at this level.

They both should have passed. This wasn't an obvious foul. And I don't think it's telling at all that they both had a whistle. They both got it wrong. When the offense jumps in that much, that hard, I need to see defender really screw up. Jump forward into shooter. I think it was the wrong call.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BigCat

They both should have passed. This wasn't an obvious foul. And I don't think it's telling at all that they both had a whistle. They both got it wrong. When the offense jumps in that much, that hard, I need to see defender really screw up. Jump forward into shooter. I think it was the wrong call.

Agree. The shooter gave up on the open shot and went for the foul. That isn't something I reward. And IIRC, that (rewarding a shooter for unnaturally creating contact) was something either the NCAA or NBA said they wanted to eliminate.