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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by oc
Just another ref refers to a situation where a principle got upset about T'ing kids for illegal substitutions. The Principle was out of line the way he dealt with the situation- but it got me wondering:
how do you deal with illegal substitutions? i.e. kids coming on to the court without being beckoned. In my association the other refs just send the kid back and teach them what they did wrong. I do the same-I don't want to be the only one handing out T's for this. What do you guys do? Does it depend on the level?

(our problem is compounded by inexperienced scorers who don't always sound the horn for subs.- I TRY to take care of that before the game.)

The kind of "illegal substitutions" that involve deception, or a live ball, or too many players on the court, need a T every time. The kind that are only inexperience and ignorance of the accepted protocol never get a T from me, even at the varsity level. But they never happen at the varsity level. Even when the kid runs onto the floor without checking in, you just get real firm and explain in no uncertain terms that they can't do that, and make them walk through the whole thing again correctly. Don't just tell them, make them actually physically do it. (Notice that in this activity, you're also instructing the 6th grade scorekeeper) Even if they forget next time, you don't T them. Even the last game of the season, you don't T them. Be sure the coach understands the whole thing, so he/she can stop them next time. But don't T her. she's got enough problems already, and doesn't need another reason to have a conference with the AD.

If it happens two or three times in a game, and you feel the coach is being negligent, you say, "Coach you know, this actually should get a T, but I'm letting you off light because I don't want to punish the girls' inexperience, but get them under control, eh?" or south of NorthDakota nad Minnesota, "... get them under control, okay?" That will get her attention without you being overly obnoxious.

Of course this is the answer. Even in summer tourneys & camps when the players are a little more lax do not let them come on before you're ready for them, but in any event you should be able to control this without slinging T's, regardless of the level or the season.

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
Do you mean "canid", Khukh? :confused:

Beats me. He pronouces it kuh-NID. I thought he made it up, so I made up the spelling. Now, please hold all questions till the end of the tour.

kuh-NID with a short I sounds like something you would get at a kosher deli "I'll have a kuh-NID and a coke, extra mustard to go please".

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
"I'll have a kuh-NID and a coke, extra mustard to go please".

Hold the tofu, thanks. :)

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Musta been "canid",Chuck. If that's right,you just called me an "evil coyote",according to dictionary.com. That sounds justa about right,you wascally wabbit.

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Musta been "canid",Chuck. If that's right,you just called me an "evil coyote",according to dictionary.com. That sounds justa about right,you wascally wabbit. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually, a "canid" is an animal that is part gray wolf and part dog.

They're make great guard dogs, but they're a little tough to housebreak.

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Musta been "canid",Chuck. If that's right,you just called me an "evil coyote",according to dictionary.com. That sounds justa about right,you wascally wabbit.

Actually, a "canid" is an animal that is part gray wolf and part dog.

They're make great guard dogs, but they're a little tough to housebreak. [/B][/QUOTE]Hmmmm,that sounds justa about right,too.

OK, I'm an evil,un-housebroken coyote then! Can't argue with that.

I don't know if they're wolves, dogs or what. All I know is that they hunted the poor Oompa Loompas nearly to extinction. You seemed particulary hostile to Oompa Loompas, so naturally, I assumed you were a kanid. Canid. Wolf. Whatever.

P.S. -- Barry, you may want to shorten up the ol' sig line, buddy! :)

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
I don't know if they're wolves, dogs or what. All I know is that they hunted the poor Oompa Loompas nearly to extinction.

May I suggest that you use the "Standard Oompa Loopa Evasion Technique To Avoid Predators"?

Stand in a field of grass four feet high!

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

P.S. -- Barry, you may want to shorten up the ol' sig line, buddy! :)

Excellent suggestion, Chuckie!

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Originally posted by Barry C. Morris

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

P.S. -- Barry, you may want to shorten up the ol' sig line, buddy! :)

Excellent suggestion, Chuckie!

Just for the rest of us who have a life and aren't on the baord 24/7 and thus didn't see the original, could you please post it below? Thanks

Reminds me:

There are two kinds of people in the world, those that divide people into two kinds,,,, and those who dont!

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Originally posted by rainmaker

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Originally posted by Barry C. Morris

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Originally posted by ChuckElias

P.S. -- Barry, you may want to shorten up the ol' sig line, buddy! :)

Excellent suggestion, Chuckie!

could you please post it below? Thanks

Sure. It was. . .

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There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Actually, a "canid" is an animal that is part gray wolf and part dog.

They're make great guard dogs, but they're a little tough to housebreak. [/B]

So, if I understand correctly, you are suggesting that we take one of these guard dog things onto the court with us to keep the illegal substitutes at bay.

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett

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Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Musta been "canid",Chuck. If that's right,you just called me an "evil coyote",according to dictionary.com. That sounds justa about right,you wascally wabbit.

Actually, a "canid" is an animal that is part gray wolf and part dog.

They're make great guard dogs, but they're a little tough to housebreak.

Hmmmm,that sounds justa about right,too.

OK, I'm an evil,un-housebroken coyote then! Can't argue with that. [/B][/QUOTE]

And we all realize you're just a sorry-@ssed toothless and grumpy old hound with bladder control problems.

http://www.kateconnick.com/mydogs/gran.jpg

It's Knid - Viscious Knid.

It's from the 'sequel' to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (the title of the book, not the movie) - Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. Without pulling out my dictionary, I'm willing to bet that Roald Dahl made the word up.

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Originally posted by Dan_ref

And we all realize you're just a sorry-@ssed toothless and grumpy old hound with bladder control problems.

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Well,kinda hard to fight that one also. 'Tis fairly accurate.