Duke v Mich State

[Nevadaref]

Video Request:
6:02 remaining in the second half.

Jay Bilas stated that the official Lamont Simpson told him that it was "a live-ball, contact technical foul."

What???

[FormerUmp]

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ow-thrown.html

If these could be merged?

[Nevadaref]

My opinion is a flagrant 2 (personal) foul.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Video Request:
6:02 remaining in the second half.

Jay Bilas stated that the official Lamont Simpson told him that it was "a live-ball, contact technical foul."

What???

Yeah that’s not a thing. I also have a Flagrant 2 on the play.

[JRutledge]

I just saw the play, I am very confused. There is no such foul? This is either a Flagrant Foul (1 or 2) or nothing. The ball was clearly live and you cannot give the ball at the division line for this kind of T. I think the officials out talked themselves on this one.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Here is the play.



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[Camron Rust]

It looked to me like he was trying to slap away the arm of the MSU player that was holding onto him, not slinging an elbow. The elbow making contact was "incidental" to that (and I don't mean to say this was incidental contact).

I could go with an F1, but I do not believe there was an intent to harm here.

[FormerUmp]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It looked to me like he was trying to slap away the arm of the MSU player that was holding onto him, not slinging an elbow. The elbow making contact was "incidental" to that (and I don't mean to say this was incidental contact).

I could go with an F1, but I do not believe there was an intent to harm here.

I can see what you're saying, but he still hit the guy in the face with his elbow. I think he got off easy. I think that level of recklessness should be treated similarly to if he'd blatantly elbowed him in the face.

[Sharpshooternes]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It looked to me like he was trying to slap away the arm of the MSU player that was holding onto him, not slinging an elbow. The elbow making contact was "incidental" to that (and I don't mean to say this was incidental contact).

I could go with an F1, but I do not believe there was an intent to harm here.

This is what I had on the play. You can only see it on the very first original view. all the rest don't show the jersey grab. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that was a strange enforcement. I would have had double F1 on both players in this sitch.

[CallMeMrRef]

The videos won't run on my computer - internet explorer 11. Are there some setting issues? Google chrome?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

The videos won't run on my computer - internet explorer 11. Are there some setting issues? Google chrome?

Well, the fact it is Internet Explorer is the first problem. But any YouTube Video should run in most situations. I guess it would depend on how old your computer is or sometimes if you are work or using a certain internet service (at a school or work) then you cannot get to pages like YouTube.

I use Firefox and it works well. I have had not issues in the past using Edge or Chrome. Chrome after all is a Google product that runs YouTube.

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[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by CallMeMrRef

The videos won't run on my computer - Internet explorer 11. Are there some setting issues? Google chrome?

Same problem here. I like Internet Explorer 11, but when I want to see Forum videos, I go to Chrome. No problems with Chrome.

[crosscountry55]

Meh. It’s not like he wound up and slammed him. Did you see that little, “oops, crap I hit his head” look on his face? F1.

Wrong guy shot FTs, ball was inbounded 47 feet from where it should have been, and now the offender is only one vice two Ts from ejection. It’s really bad to kick a rule at this level; it’s even worse to make up a new type of foul on the fly. That was a big oops. Shouldn’t have happened.


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[Raymond]

I have an F1. He didn't size up or target the opponent, and he didn't "throw" an elbow. He was attempting to swat away the hand the was pulling on his jersey; he didn't even know where the opponents face was. No way in hell that warrants an ejection.

I am extremely bothered that the adjudication was botched.

[BryanV21]

I'd have a hard time ejecting a player for what is clearly an accidental elbow. From what I see Carter was simply trying to slap away the defenders arm, as the defender grabbed his jersey.

Going strictly by the rules, this may indeed be a FF2... which includes ejection. But a FF1 would suffice. What doesn't work at all is making something up.