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Sharpshooternes Mon Nov 13, 2017 06:17pm

Leave the court 10-6-5
 
ART. 5

The head coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.

PENALTY: (Art. 1) The official shall warn the head coach unless the offense is judged to be major, in which case a technical foul shall be ruled. (Section 6) Two free throws plus the ball for a division-line throw-in. The foul is charged directly to the head coach. (Arts. 3, 5) (Arts. 4, 5) Only one technical foul is charged regardless of the number of offenders.

According to this rule, a warning should be issued to the coach unless it is egregious. Can anyone give examples of when a player leaves the area that would warrant a warning and then examples of what would go right to the T and no further warnings allowed? In the past, this was just a tech to the player (I think) but now with the warning rule.....

SC Official Mon Nov 13, 2017 06:45pm

The warning only applies to Article 1. That’s why they wrote “Art. 1” in parentheses before “The official shall warn...”

Shooter14 Tue Nov 14, 2017 01:29pm

In JH game last night at the end of the first quarter, had a player run across the floor into the stands where mommy or daddy had a gatorade bottle for them. According to the rule, if you were going to penalize what would be proper protocol you think? Warning, nothing? T?

SC Official Tue Nov 14, 2017 01:43pm

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Originally Posted by Shooter14 (Post 1011406)
In JH game last night at the end of the first quarter, had a player run across the floor into the stands where mommy or daddy had a gatorade bottle for them. According to the rule, if you were going to penalize what would be proper protocol you think? Warning, nothing? T?

The rule says that the head coach cannot permit team members to leave the bench for an unauthorized reason. Going to see Mom and Dad is an authorized reason as far as I am (and all officials should be) concerned.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Nov 14, 2017 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by Shooter14 (Post 1011406)
In JH game last night at the end of the first quarter, had a player run across the floor into the stands where mommy or daddy had a gatorade bottle for them. According to the rule, if you were going to penalize what would be proper protocol you think? Warning, nothing? T?

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Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1011407)
The rule says that the head coach cannot permit team members to leave the bench for an unauthorized reason. Going to see Mom and Dad is an authorized reason as far as I am (and all officials should be) concerned.


The only thing I would be concerned would be did they also have a Gatorade for me!

MTD, Sr.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 14, 2017 03:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1011407)
The rule says that the head coach cannot permit team members to leave the bench for an unauthorized reason. Going to see Mom and Dad is an authorized reason as far as I am (and all officials should be) concerned.

While I wouldn't likely do anything here, I'm not so sure the NFHS would consider that an authorized reason. They really don't want players leaving the bench for unnecessary reasons. It may be necessary to go see mom and dad, perhaps to get a new contact lens, but just going to say hello is not what I would think would be authorized.

Going to the end of the bench or behind the bench or even to the locker room for a trainer to work on them...authorized. Going to the bathroom....authorized. Hanging out with friends/family away from the bench, not authorized.

deecee Tue Nov 14, 2017 07:00pm

This issue is not as big a deal as one would think coming to this forum. The only time this may be an actual issue is if there is a player attitude problem other than that who the heck pays attention to the bench during the game if one kid gets up and leaves?

Camron Rust Tue Nov 14, 2017 07:30pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1011414)
This issue is not as big a deal as one would think coming to this forum. The only time this may be an actual issue is if there is a player attitude problem other than that who the heck pays attention to the bench during the game if one kid gets up and leaves?

Exactly!

Kelvin green Tue Nov 14, 2017 09:32pm

Now... I am going to play devils advocate....

Is the purpose behind the rule a safety rule for the child’s protection? While on the bench they are (presumably) under adult supervision. The Player runs to the “bathroom” unsupervised... The player left to go to the bathroom because he or she was despondent over a play... over being pulled... for whatever reason... and causes harm to him or herself... We see it don’t say anything?

Or something happens to the player on the way to the bathroom? Or getting Gatorade...?

What happens if officials purposely ignore a safety rule that places a child in jeopardy?

The reasonable referee enforces rules, especially safety rules so that they can show they exhibit the ordinary care that a reasonable referee would exercise.

Call me crazy but we have to know what’s going on in the bench area and if someone leaves.... I would think if they left for the bathroom or illness it becomes authorized when an adult goes with them.

Just a different perspective to think about...

BryanV21 Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:24pm

My only concern in this area is if the kid is being a problem, like if he is yelling about a call he didn't like on his way off the court. Some sort of show of disgust. Otherwise, unless his not being there is holding up the game somehow, I don't really care or may not even notice.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:59pm

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Originally Posted by BryanV21 (Post 1011432)
My only concern in this area is if the kid is being a problem, like if he is yelling about a call he didn't like on his way off the court. Some sort of show of disgust. Otherwise, unless his not being there is holding up the game somehow, I don't really care or may not even notice.



As I have stated before. If he is going over to get a Gatorade from his parents he also had better bringing back one for me, :p.

MTD, Sr.

BryanV21 Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:15am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1011435)
As I have stated before. If he is going over to get a Gatorade from his parents he also had better bringing back one for me, :p.

MTD, Sr.

What flavor? Oh, who am I kidding? I want one too!

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Bcopas Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:07pm

Casebook plays 10.6.5 Situations A and B may help some to understand purpose of rule 10-6-5.


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