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RobbyTodd1953 Wed Nov 08, 2017 04:13pm

Holding ball between legs
 
A player is laying on the floor and has control of the ball by holding it between their legs. I know this is a violation - is either kicking the ball or traveling. Which is it and where is the reference in the rule and/or case book ?

Nevadaref Wed Nov 08, 2017 04:16pm

Ah, the questions which get posted during testing time!
I hope that everyone on this forum lets you find the reference for yourself.

SC Official Wed Nov 08, 2017 04:20pm

What part of the case play would make this traveling?

Raymond Wed Nov 08, 2017 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by RobbyTodd1953 (Post 1011172)
A player is laying on the floor and has control of the ball by holding it between their legs. I know this is a violation - is either kicking the ball or traveling. Which is it and where is the reference in the rule and/or case book ?

Definitions (rule 4) and Violations (rule 9) should help.

Zoochy Wed Nov 08, 2017 09:24pm

How did the ball get between the legs?

Mark Padgett Wed Nov 08, 2017 10:19pm

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Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 1011192)
How did the ball get between the legs?

Please don't ask.

RefsNCoaches Thu Nov 09, 2017 09:56am

Hard to signal when you're holding your ball(s) between your legs!:p

bucky Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RobbyTodd1953 (Post 1011172)
A player is laying on the floor and has control of the ball by holding it between their legs. I know this is a violation - is either kicking the ball or traveling. Which is it and where is the reference in the rule and/or case book ?

This is a kicking violation. I had this twice last year. Found a case too but cannot recall it directly. Would have to dig. I have seen the situation also where A1, standing, places the ball between his legs, and then fakes shooting a layup. Trailing defender falls for fake and leaps to attempt a block, sailing past A1. A1 then retrieves ball, shoots, and scores. Seen it twice. In one case, I have seen L official not make any call and allow play to continue. In other case, I have seen Lead official call traveling, although unsure if he was calling the ball-hold-between-the-legs or a pivot foot move. (both feet were planted and appeared to not move however)

BigT Mon Nov 13, 2017 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1011368)
This is a kicking violation. I had this twice last year. Found a case too but cannot recall it directly. Would have to dig. I have seen the situation also where A1, standing, places the ball between his legs, and then fakes shooting a layup. Trailing defender falls for fake and leaps to attempt a block, sailing past A1. A1 then retrieves ball, shoots, and scores. Seen it twice. In one case, I have seen L official not make any call and allow play to continue. In other case, I have seen Lead official call traveling, although unsure if he was calling the ball-hold-between-the-legs or a pivot foot move. (both feet were planted and appeared to not move however)

I call BS. What advantage is gained if the ball is held between the legs? Easy to come up and tie it up with them. If they roll from side to side thats a travel they gain an advantage. If I am sitting on the floor and the ball is being held between my legs its a travel. Where does the rule book or case book cover this. I dont see it.

bucky Mon Nov 13, 2017 03:45pm

Old thread with NCAA case.

https://forum.officiating.com/basket...ll-travel.html

CJP Mon Nov 13, 2017 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by RobbyTodd1953 (Post 1011172)
A player is laying on the floor and has control of the ball by holding it between their legs. I know this is a violation - is either kicking the ball or traveling. Which is it and where is the reference in the rule and/or case book ?

If the kid tries to stand up then I am going with a travel.

BryanV21 Mon Nov 13, 2017 04:21pm

Rule 4-29 defines kicking as intentionally striking the ball with any part of the leg or foot.

Now we can argue about the definition of the word "striking". I take it as any intentional touching of the ball with a part of the leg or foot.


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