Are coaches born like this?
 

Here's a short video showing coaches acting like coaches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejCZkA6kCNM

“It’s 9-3?”

WHACK! “No, now it’s 10-3.”


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BTW, we have posted this a few times here. I have used the videos several times in my presentations. :)

Peace

Stripes: "He can bobble it all the way down the court. Gotta have possession."
Coach: "He's gotta have possession? I've never heard that before."

Subconscious: "You would if you'd read the rule book."
Me: "Rule 4, Coach."

At 13 seconds in, the coach does have a point. I try to avoid "coaching" the players just for this reason.

At 2:00 "WHACK!"

Coach, "I didn't even curse!"

LOL!!!!

More accurately worded... "Gotta be holding the ball [to travel]", not just have possession. There is one exception, but this isn't it.

In many of these clips, referees were responding to statements and not to questions......WALK AWAY !!!!!

We are our own worst enemies at times.

I have T's @ 1:05, 1:57, and 2:15. @ 2:15 the coach says he was already T'd up.
Why is he standing AND complaining?!

Are you really telling a coach all of that? Why?

Peace

Yeah, that used to work, not so much anymore. You better respond to some statements or you will have a horrible night, if for no other reason to address situations so they do not continue.

Peace

You're calling a tech at 1:57 for real?

Obviously these are in a vacuum but I am likely to have techs at 0:36, 1:09, 1:21, 1:29, 1:34.

2:00 sounds like he was about to get into tech territory for me, should have let the coach talk a little longer and hang himself.

There are some hilarious ones in there. :D

Of those, I only have T for 1:05. I would even think of a T for the other 2.

Of those, 1:09, maybe 1:21 depending on circumstances, & 1:34.

But, on some, there are two possibilities of plays since the clips a re short and the times are close to two possible situations.

Some, I'm just ignoring the coach. Only if it were extended or repetitive would many of those get my attention.

I think he meant he would only tell the coach the part that was in quotes, i.e. "Gotta be holding the ball [to travel]"

Amen.

"Respond to questions, not statements" is another example of overused camp speak that in reality is not going to be successful for most people as a universal guideline.

@ 1:57 the coach says "you're givin them, etc". To me it insinuates cheating. In a game I may not have T'd him but would have been addressed!

@ 2:15 I wouldn't have T'd him for his comment. As I said, he mentioned getting T'd earlier which means he should be sitting.

Coach (screaming): "How come we have 8 fouls and they only have 2?"
Me: "Because your team fouls too much - DUH."

College supervisor just told us how silly that stance is now about not addressing statements a few weeks ago. I just think if you do not address them, things will get worse in their behavior. Yes, you should not comment every time they speak, but you certainly cannot ignore constant statements when you are in front of them. I would never say you have to even have a long conversation, but you might need to address bad behavior when warranted.

Peace

It might work at lower levels with less experienced officials and clueless coaches, but once you get to varsity basketball ignoring every statement is going to invite more trouble.

One thing that has worked for me in that type of situation, rather than trying to give "answers" to a bunch of statements, is to ask, "Coach, do you have a question for me?". Sometimes that re-directs them just enough so they focus on one thing and you can answer and move on.

Sometimes you just get a sarcastic jerk who will say, "Yeah, when are you gonna stop making bad calls"? And then you have to decide how to handle him/her.

But that question has worked for me in the past.

I think Camron is only going to say the part actually in the quotation marks. "Gotta be holding the ball, Coach". That explains why you didn't call the travel.

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Where's the "Like" button on this Forum?

Precisely.

I like the play from 0:57 to 1:04. "You're too far away to even see it." Says the coach who was 40 feet further away than the trail!

Does anyone mind the jacket toss at 0:11?

tossing that jacket in disdain
 

I re-played that jacket toss about 3 times in order to see if there were non-verbal cues and if an official was within the sight-line of the jacket toss. I know some NCAA-level refs who immediately "T" up a coach for that action; however, as an NF level official I concluded that the suit jacket toss "action" was not especially acerbic nor dramatic, but simply indicative of either disdain for his player's performance or an official's call. If I were officiating that game, I'd err towards not penalizing the "suit jacket toss" as again it did not appear to be terribly dramatic.

Without more context I find myself going through the whole video and not seeing a single one of those clips that in and of themselves were T-worthy for me. And I'm not one to shy away from T-ing up a coach. There's certainly some acidic comments, but it all depends on what had happened leading up to those moments for me to say I'd T on the basis of those comments alone. Not compelling enough for me.

Agreed. That wasn't too dramatic. No need to hunt for T's, they'll call themselves.

I would have gone over, picked up the jacket, given it to the scorer and told him to hold onto it for me until the end of the game. If the coach then came over to me and asked me what I thought I was doing, I would have said that since he didn't want it anymore, I was going to sell it on eBay. :p

I probably would not have noticed and if I did I would have done nothing. Why would that even raise any eyebrows? Very tame compared to most of the stuff on here.

Peace

I was asking only bc I knew some people that claim jacket is automatic. I have thought that it would depend on how demonstrative it is.

This isn't a jacket toss. This is a jacket laydown. I had no problem with this one. I've seen much worse in games I've watched and in games I've worked, and they've been appropriately penalized.

I'd like to know how many points behind on the scoreboard the coaches in each of these situations was. I'm not saying you have to be losing the game to get out of hand, but most of the time, I think that's the case.

If he tossed it in anger maybe. But setting down your jacket is not what I think many people are calling automatic. And I think we have to get rid of the "automatics" when it comes to giving a T. We always need context.

Peace

Water Color Memories ...
 

Bobby Knight didn't toss that chair in anger, it was just a chair laydown.

The jacket toss at :11 would not even register with me if I saw it. He was setting it down.

The "9 to 3" comment at about 1:05 would get at least a written warning and possibly a technical depending on how the game has gone, especially since he repeats it and ends the exchange with "Figure it out".

The guy at 1:30 is standing right in front of the table, which should get a written warning.

And of course the guy at 2:00 is a clown. "I didn't even say anything!!"