28-foot box
 

We were recently told that South Carolina is adopting the 28-foot coaching box.

Any states keeping the box at 14' or smaller?

I have no knowledge but I would wager that every state will allow the new larger box.

I hope not.

My state adopted the new rule. I have not heard anyone staying with the old rule.

But unless something changed, I know Iowa did not have a coaching box at all and required their coaches to sit (as of a few years ago). Not sure if that is the case anymore, but it was once the rule there. I would hear coaches from Iowa teams ask, "What can I do?"

I am sure someone from Iowa can confirm if they even use a box. I just know not everyone accepted the older rules so I am sure that will be the case in some situations moving forward.

Peace

Is the size of the box a state-level option? If not, our state will go with whatever is defined by the NFHS.

The actual size that is allowed is a state adopted rule. But they can now under NF have a 28-foot box.

Peace

Yep. Previous maximum was 14 feet, now it's 28. There were/are some states that still only allow a 6-foot box, or no box at all in extreme cases like Iowa.

I anticipate that every school will want the new box but nobody will want to redo the lines.

We need to remember per NFHS Basketball R10-S6-A1, HCs are not allowed to stand excpet under certain situations unless the StateHSAA has adopted a "designated coaching box" per R10-S6-A1.

I know that the MichiganHSAA did not adopt a "designated coaching box until about ten years ago.

Therefore, for all intents an purposes, NFHS Basketball R10-S6-A1 is a "seat belt rule" with the individual StateHSAAs being allowed to adopt a "designated coach box" rule. The "seat belt" rule was orignally adopted by the National Basketball Committee of the United States and Canada for the 1970-71 season. The rule applied to both boys'/girls' high school and men's college games in both countries with no provision for a StateHSAA to adopt a "designated coaching box". But do not worry, the "seat belt rule" was never (with apologies to J. Dallas Shirely) enforced at the college level.

When the NBCUSC split into the NFHS and NCAA Men's Committees (1977-78 or 1978-79, I want to say it was the former and not the latter) the NFHS kept the "seat belt rule" and the NCAA Men's adopted the "designated coaching box" rule.

When the "seat belt rule" was first adopted the OhioHSAA made it even stricter that written by not allowing the HC to stand during any Dead Ball except TOs and between quarters. Years later, the OhioHSAA was a pioneer in developing the "designated coaching box" before the NFHS game the StateHSAAs to adopt the "designated coaching box".

MTD, Sr.

Iowa has had a box for a while. I believe I read that we're adopting the 28' box.

The end closest to the scoring table remains the same -- no new line needed.

The end farthest from the scoring table is now the end-line (if the state adopts the new box, and IABBO doesn't come out with another cock-a-mamie "rule" on this ;) ) -- again no line really needed.

The NCAA courts will need a new line at 38'

Not This Season Here
 

The MHSAA announced on its www.mhsaa/officials site that the new rule 1-13-2 will not be approved for the 2017-18 season:

BASKETBALL COACHES BOX NOTICE:
The MHSAA has not adopted the NFHS (NEW) allowance for a 28 foot coaches box.
The MHSAA will only allow for regular season and MHSAA tournaments the 14 foot coaches box.

Wisconsin is adopting the 28' box.

I don't understand why we (officials/states) should concern ourselves with where the coach is standing as long as he's in front of his bench, off the court and out of harm's way.

A 14-foot box makes our job as officials unnecessarily harder. The refrain I hear is that the expanded box "...gives him 14 more feet to act like a jackass." Well if you're not scared to do your job, he won't be acting like a jackass. The same was true before this change.

I Like The Longer Coaching Box ...
 

Agree. I would prefer to deal with the coach's behavior, and not be concerned about where he's standing (as long as he's not standing in front of the scorer's table, blocking the view of the scorer and timer).

Or standing past the end line, which is what has gotten a few college coaches a T in multiple situations.

Peace

I can't imagine having a coach yelling at me as a lead and taking that for long. But I never did take that kind of stuff anyway.

Does He Need A Ticket To Get Back In ???
 

Thanks for the warning.

As a 100% high school official who has never dealt with a twenty-eight foot coaching box, I never would have dreamed that this would be a problem.

In some of the gyms where I work, if the coach goes more than a few feet past the endline he going to walk into a wall, or out a door.

Hopefully they won't turn the corner and try to cozy up to me as the lead on the endline.

Well, we are all familiar with the old saying, give them twenty-eight feet and they're going to take thirty feet, or something like that.

Agreed.

Officials who weren't dealing with misbehavior with a 14-foot box won't deal with misbehavior with a 28-foot box, either. And then they'll say that coaches are acting more idiotic with the bigger box.

We're still waiting for a ruling on this here in Maine. Same for 2-hand reporting.

One of our posters is going to go all "states can do whatever they want" on me for saying this, but...

The size of the box is a state option. Two-hand reporting is not. Technically if Maine stays with one hand, wouldn't it be subject to losing its seat on the Rules Committee? Not saying that would or should happen, but just a thought.

I think there's a difference between rules and mechanics (even those that are somehow specified in the rules themselves) in terms of being on the committee.

Some games, I'd be okay with the coach doing just that.

Well, I don't know that answer to that.... But I'm guessing it's like bob says.

Per the 2017-18 FHSAA Basketball Sport Manual 4.2.1.1.1 Competition Rules, Florida is keeping the 14' coaching box.

Is it too late to take this bet? ;)

Agreed. After all, the rules require officials to wear black and white stripes, which doesn't happen in multiple states represented on the Committee.

It does not happen every game, but when it has I have seen it be penalized. Never happen in one of my games because coaches know better. It probably will happen a few more times because high school coaches are not used to that size of the box and they often are less professional about pushing the limits. But we will see. Time will tell.

Peace

And it is a rule to wear black and white stripes and many states do not wear those at all. So again states can and will do what they want on many levels. Not something new if you pay attention to these things (and I am talking multiple sports as well).

Peace

Riddle Me This, When Is A Mechanic A Rule ???
 

Two hand reporting sounds like it should be a mechanic and should be in the Manual, but I believe that it's in the NFHS Rulebook, and therefore is a rule. I wonder why?

Rebels ...
 

Those states that allow officials to wear other colors should be put on double secret probation. That will teach them.

It is in the Manual and the Rules Book. Rule 2-9-1 has indicated how many hands officials are "supposed" to report fouls with for however long.

Perhaps the "mechanics" are more specifically intended to cover the procedures that only officials need to know (where to stand, where to look, how to move, etc.) while rules include not just the playing rules but the bridge between the officials an those playing rules...the signals used to communicate how the rules were violated.

Players, coaches, scorers, timers, and fans couldn't care less about the former while many of them have a need to know the latter. Putting those in those in the rule book makes sense since such groups really don't need 95% of what is in the mechanics book.

Rules Vs. Mechanics ...
 

Great explanation.

Texas is staying with the 14' box. For whatever reason, they like to be different about some things. They've given no reason so far why they aren't adopting this rule.

Their reason is simply that they can. It is after all their own country.

Peace

How many high school gyms are currently out of commission due to Harvey?

I honestly don't have a clue - I'm far from Houston. I'll bet quite a few, though.

I’m in Houston. Only a few were that I know of. But it could be more.

Missouri is using the 28' box. I'm fine with it and love the two-hand reporting too.

Old Dog, New Tricks ...
 

It's probably going to take me a while to get use to this. I've been doing it one handed for thirty-seven years.

Is any state foregoing the 2 hand reporting?


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Texas is opting to keep the 14-foot coaching box, at least for the 17-18 season.

My understanding is it's still under consideration here in Maine.

What is there to consider? It's a rule, isn't it?

Yup, sure is.

States can veer from the rules as they choose. Texas has been using 2-handed reporting for a couple years now.

Well, that is more of a mechanic, which any state can do what they want.

Peace

It's in the rules book. Therefore, it's a rule.

It is now, but it was not previously if memory serves me correctly.

Peace

It was.

Rule 2-9-1 has always specified the number of hands we (are supposed to) report fouls with. They changed "one hand" to "two hands" this offseason.

And yes, I know that states can and will do whatever they want.

Then this makes my point as I have been stating. They did what they wanted to do before as I said before and after. Thanks for proving my point.

And Texas was not even close to the only state that used 2 hand reporting before the rules change this year.

I believe Georgia allowed 2 hand reporting in the past (they allowed walk and talk too), as well as that mechanic, was clearly in a video they put out some years ago. So much for "They must follow the National Federation Rules" argument. They were not doing it before as it related to mechanics situations. Heck, even uniform situations are also stated in the rules for what the officials wear and we know that there were states not using black and white striped shirts in all situations.

Peace

Georgia has used women's CCA mechanics for many years now.

No one on this forum, Rich and I included, has ever argued this. So I'm not sure why you act like you've made some astounding realization that we should all kiss your feet for. I proved absolutely nothing because you never made a point on this topic that we didn't already know. But if it makes you feel better, go on ahead.

And I was not arguing anything, I was stating a fact. Stating a fact should not be an issue with anyone on this site, as we have people that love to correct people on all kinds of issues that are stated.

Since we are talking about what states have accepted or not accepted, it should be OK for someone to state what is not obvious to everyone. You and I have had this conversation about 2 hand reporting (which seems like you have an issue with someone talking about this rules change) but others have not. I was not talking to you about the policy or rule BTW. Just stating that if Texas was going outside of the rule, they clearly are not being hurt by that fact they are doing their own thing. Having lived in Texas that seems to be a common theme with them. :)

Either way, the people of the NF have stated many things as to what is usually a problem when the rules are not followed by state policy. It appears that any mechanic is not something they even worry about as much as those here do.

Peace

We Do Whatever We Want, We're Rebels I Tell You, Rebels ...
 

In Connecticut, a player, after lifting his pivot foot, may legally take three steps, as long as the three steps are a hop, a skip, and a jump.

Also, dunks count two points, other field goals from within the arc count three points, and other field goals from outside the arc count four points.

In our group, we no longer distribute the NFHS officials manual on the years they are published. We follow CCA for floor coverages and most mechanics. We follow NFHS primarily but and we do follow GHSA direction when ordered.

Well that’s odd. I’m in FL, and in our last meeting for my association we discussed how the FHSAA is adopting the 28’ box. I wonder which to use now.