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paulsonj72 Thu Jul 06, 2017 03:50pm

1972 Illinois Game
 
From 1972 the Illinois Class AA title game. Interesting to see free throws shot for common fouls before the bonus among other differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePc19x0418o&t=219s

BillyMac Thu Jul 06, 2017 05:03pm

Who Wears Short Shorts ...
 
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Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1007546)
From 1972 the Illinois Class AA title game. Interesting to see free throws shot for common fouls before the bonus among other differences.

Hey. I played under those rules. You got a problem with that?

Mark Padgett Thu Jul 06, 2017 06:23pm

I remember when one of the teams in the video (Thornridge) was built in 1960 in Dolton, IL. Although it wasn't in my schools conference, it was still fairly close to us (Bloom HS in Chicago Heights). We played some games with them in the sixties and I think I remember attending one of the games. We won that game by a rather large difference. I guess we probably still played some games with them after the sixties but I was out of HS and didn't keep up.

Thornridge had a reputation for being a very nice school.

paulsonj72 Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:21pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1007552)
Hey. I played under those rules. You got a problem with that?

No. I was born about a month before that so I never saw a game with that rule in effect. :D

johnny d Fri Jul 07, 2017 09:04am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 1007555)
I remember when one of the teams in the video (Thornridge) was built in 1960 in Dolton, IL. Although it wasn't in my schools conference, it was still fairly close to us (Bloom HS in Chicago Heights). We played some games with them in the sixties and I think I remember attending one of the games. We won that game by a rather large difference. I guess we probably still played some games with them after the sixties but I was out of HS and didn't keep up.

Thornridge had a reputation for being a very nice school.

Perhaps when it opened. It is a cesspool now.

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:03am

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 1007570)
It is a cesspool now.

Is that where they play water polo? :confused:

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Jul 07, 2017 02:12pm

The 1971-72 season was my first year as a basketball official so I know the rules for the "Ancient Times". I graduated from high school in 1969 so I played under the rules of the "Ancient Times".

MTD, Sr.

JRutledge Fri Jul 07, 2017 07:13pm

Well I have officiated both schools at home and away games over the years. I had Thornridge just last season on the road. I have been to Quincy several times over the years. Both great places to work, but nothing like Quincy High School's gym.

Peace

Mark Padgett Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1007584)
Well I have officiated both schools at home and away games over the years. I had Thornridge just last season on the road. I have been to Quincy several times over the years. Both great places to work, but nothing like Quincy High School's gym.

Peace

Rut - have you ever worked any Bloom HS games either at home or on the road?

JRutledge Sat Jul 08, 2017 03:56am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 1007589)
Rut - have you ever worked any Bloom HS games either at home or on the road?

Yes I have. Worked an All-Star game there once.

Peace

Raymond Sat Jul 08, 2017 09:57am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 1007571)
Is that where they play water polo? :confused:

I think this is the first time you've ever made me laugh out loud Mark.

Raymond Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:01am

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Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1007546)
From 1972 the Illinois Class AA title game. Interesting to see free throws shot for common fouls before the bonus among other differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePc19x0418o&t=219s

Wow, Quinn Buckner.

And we see that the NBA Summer League has gone two handing the ball to the free-throw shooter on the first free throw.

BillyMac Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:00pm

Fire Up The Flux Capacitor ...
 
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1007601)
... we see that the NBA Summer League has gone to handing the ball to the free-throw shooter on the first free throw.

Wow. Back to the future.

Does anybody have any more information about this old mechanic revival in the NBA Summer League, like for instance, why?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Jul 08, 2017 09:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulsonj72 (Post 1007546)
From 1972 the Illinois Class AA title game. Interesting to see free throws shot for common fouls before the bonus among other differences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePc19x0418o&t=219s


What I find amusing in this video is the fan shaped backboards.

I graduated from H.S. in 1969 and started playing when I was 9 years old being that being that our next door neighbor coached the boys' varsity basketball and golf teams and later the girls' varsity golf team. I attended H.S. basketball games early on and never saw a fan shaped backboard. Even the small farm schools in the county in which I lived had rectangular backboards in the late 1950s and on.

MTD, Sr.

Lcubed48 Sun Jul 09, 2017 09:51am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1007601)
Wow, Quinn Buckner.

And we see that the NBA Summer League has gone two handing the ball to the free-throw shooter on the first free throw.

I also noticed that on a three point shot only one official signals the attempt and the make. The opposite (C or T) does no signaling.

Rich Sun Jul 09, 2017 09:56am

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Originally Posted by Lcubed48 (Post 1007636)
I also noticed that on a three point shot only one official signals the attempt and the make. The opposite (C or T) does no signaling.

That's always been the NBA mechanic.

Raymond Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:01am

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Originally Posted by Lcubed48 (Post 1007636)
I also noticed that on a three point shot only one official signals the attempt and the make. The opposite (C or T) does no signaling.

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1007637)
That's always been the NBA mechanic.

I am still not clear on the Mechanics for signaling the shot being taken, but I do know only the Trail marks it as successful.

Lcubed48 Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:05am

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1007638)
I am still not clear on the Mechanics for signaling the shot being taken, but I do know only the Trail marks it as successful.

Oops, I stand corrected. Thanks! 😀

justacoach Mon Jul 10, 2017 02:22am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1007607)
why?

Courtesy of Mr. Wunderlich...

BillyMac Mon Jul 10, 2017 05:59am

Live From Las Vegas ...
 
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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1007601)
NBA Summer League has gone to handing the ball to the free-throw shooter on the first free throw.

I only have a passing interest in "real" NBA games, and no interest in summer NBA games, but I did watch several minutes of summer NBA on ESPN last night just to see this old mechanic. It's true. What goes around comes around.

Raymond Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:24am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 1007659)
I only have a passing interest in "real" NBA games, and no interest in summer NBA games, but I did watch several minutes of summer NBA on ESPN last night just to see this old mechanic. It's true. What goes around comes around.

My interest is only that justacoach's son is working the games in Vegas and another buddy will be working later this week.

so cal lurker Mon Jul 10, 2017 10:49am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 1007616)
What I find amusing in this video is the fan shaped backboards.

I graduated from H.S. in 1969 and started playing when I was 9 years old being that being that our next door neighbor coached the boys' varsity basketball and golf teams and later the girls' varsity golf team. I attended H.S. basketball games early on and never saw a fan shaped backboard. Even the small farm schools in the county in which I lived had rectangular backboards in the late 1950s and on.

MTD, Sr.

I don't recall seeing any in HS (early 80s) on the main court, but was in a number of gyms (SF Bay Area) that had fan boards on the side courts in the gym. And in junior high played in a few gyms with fan shaped boards (including one that had never repainted the court to remove the key shaped key and had those weird dual mid-court lines because the court was too short . . .)

BillyMac Mon Jul 10, 2017 04:58pm

Glass Backboards ...
 
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1007674)
... number of gyms that had fan boards

The old high school in my town is now an elementary school, with a large gymnasium that is used for recreation games, travel games, etc.

It has rectangular wooden framed backboards with half glass (from the rim up) and half wood (from the rim down) backboards. I have been told that, back in the 1950's, these were the first glass backboards in the state of Connecticut. The entrance to the gymnasium is right under one of these backboards and the old timers in town tell me that visiting fans used to just stand under the backboard and stare for a few minutes as they entered the gymnasium.

When I first started officiating, one of our high schools had an unused analog clock scoreboard on the wall. It eventually was taken down. I hope that they kept in in storage and didn't just send it to the landfill.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.k...=0&w=343&h=166

BillyMac Mon Jul 10, 2017 05:18pm

Division Lines (Plural) ...
 
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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1007674)
... those weird dual mid-court lines because the court was too short ...

I officiated a few high school varsity game on one of those courts at a private prep school. Smallest gymnasium that I've ever officiated a high school varsity game in. Team benches were against a side wall, and if players just sat on the bench naturally, their feet would be on the playing court.

I was quite pleased when school finally built a new gymnasium. Unfortunately, the new gymnasium has a lot of windows. During afternoon games (common in Connecticut for private prep schools), the sun, as it moves across the sky, will occasionally shine brightly on the floor of the court producing a lot of glare that makes it very difficult to officiate. It makes me want to wear my polarized sunglasses, that I wear while kayaking, to cut down on the glare.

https://tse2.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.6...=0&w=300&h=300

paulsonj72 Mon Jul 10, 2017 08:02pm

The IHSA(Illinois association) has a lot of games up on YouTube and I noticed that in the late 1970's and early 1980's future NFL official Larry Nemmers officiated in the Illinois State Tournament.

teebob21 Wed Jul 12, 2017 05:06am

Comments on the video:
  • My dad was a sophomore in high school when this was filmed.
  • Amazing bit of technology for the time to give the announcers instant replay and text overlay on the video feed.
  • Now I know why my dad was such a proponent of the Diamond + 1 defense, but hated when we fouled. He also held no truck with the 3PT shot. I see why.
  • Great sportsmanship by both teams when a foul was called.
  • While I am not a BB official, some of those early traveling calls might have been fouls on the defense; such as the one on the first quarter on that baseline putback. The officials on this game are likely long in the grave; I'm not questioning their quality.
  • My gym had fan backboards on all hoops until at least 2001, so they aren't dead yet. I had a fan backboard on the hoop in our driveway growing up...playing rec league on quality glass rectangular backboards was kinda weird.
  • Those old-school pea whistles are hard to hear on the video.
  • Those shorts are short. Those socks are NICE.
  • I wouldn't have called that foul on the long-distance pass at 19:15.
  • I'm surprised there wasn't more long hair...but granted, this was early 70's.
  • Considering that long range jumpers are the least likely to score...these kids have some quite respectable range.
  • In general, this game seems to be about the same quality as modern HS basketball. Which, frankly, surprises me: my dad's assessment of HS basketball during "his days" made me think that Naismith had only recently discovered the peach basket, and jumping was still considered unsportsmanlike.

Rich Thu Jul 13, 2017 05:26am

Of course that sportsmanship - raising the hand - was mandated.


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