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Lebron pass to himself Game 4 NBA Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTLZmyjzPnY
I would like to understand why that isn't double dribble. Dribble along court, jump with 2 hands on the ball , then pass to self of the backboard . He placed 2 hands on the ball then 1 hand under the ball for a noticeable time before lob passing to himself. Why isnt the first dribble considered over when he put 2 hands on the ball or when he puts his right hand under the ball to carry before lob pass ? NBA.com - RULE NO. 4-DEFINITIONS
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You can rule that player and team control ended when Lebron threw it against the backboard, if you interpret the throw as a Try. That would allow him to run up to it and rebound it and shoot or dribble again. Clearly, this wasn't a Try, however...
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Other codes (more-or-less) explicitly allow the offense to use the offensive backboard as part of this play. It's not a "pass to one's self" (which, by definition, is impossible) and it's not a dribbling violation.
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So did the first dribble end or did the dribble just continue after he placed 2 hands on the ball then placed his right hand under the ball. Why does being in the air change that ? Why is that not double dribble ?
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It's not a particularly unusual play -- if it was illegal, it would have been called. |
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Nfhs ???
Legal, or illegal, for NFHS rules, when the official is 100% sure that it wasn't a try?
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NFHS Rule 4-15-1: "... It is not part of a dribble when a ball touches a player's own backboard."
So it's legal in high school and below, and the NBA is more permissive in nearly every conceivable way, so ... LEGAL! |
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Traveling ...
I agree that it isn't part of an illegal dribble (double dribble), but can it be considered traveling (movement of the pivot foot in excess of legal limits) when the official is 100% sure that it wasn't a try?
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Here is that NFHS caseplay:
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"Equipment" ???
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9.5 SITUATION: A1 dribbles and comes to a stop after which he/she throws the ball against: (a) his/her own backboard; RULING: Legal in (a); a team’s own backboard is considered part of that team’s “equipment” and may be used. Now, what would happen if, instead of catching the ball in the air and shooting (dunking) the ball, he came down with the ball (there's no indication in the caseplay that A1 moved his feet, or didn't move his feet, while the ball was in the air on its way to the backboard), and then decided to start a new dribble when the official is 100% sure that it wasn't a try? This caseplay answers one specific question (it's not an illegal (double) dribble), but leaves a lots of questions (is it a travel), with corresponding rule citations, unanswered. Was A1 allowed to move his feet? Was A1 allowed to start a new dribble? I know that there are no self passes in NFHS rules, but this really is a case of a self pass, with one very specific legal situation described in the caseplay.
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