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Raymond Tue May 09, 2017 12:34pm

2017-18 NCAA Changes
 
NCAA-M

Just getting around to reading JD Collins' latest memo. Got really happy when I read this in regards to upcoming CCA Manual changes:

7. Lead position – Throw-ins:
a. During a half court throw-in, the lead should position himself according to page 63 of the Mechanics Manual. We are choosing to go inside the player too often.
b. During a backcourt baseline throw-in, the lead official will be given the option to stay on one side of the lane and bounce the ball to the offensive player on the other side of the lane when there is no pressure. This will decrease the number of times the center and trail have to reset and change position. This will be detailed in the fall clinics.


NOTE: Obviously "b." should actually be referring to the Trail, not the Lead.

Rich Tue May 09, 2017 12:39pm

2017-18 NCAA Changes
 
Now only the NFHS needs to go to the toss across.

Can you elaborate on A? I like going inside to not be blocked from a quick play at the basket so I'd like to hear JD's thinking on that.

Nevadaref Tue May 09, 2017 12:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1005596)
NCAA-M

Just getting around to reading JD Collins' latest memo. Got really happy when I read this in regards to upcoming CCA Manual changes:

7. Lead position – Throw-ins:
a. During a half court throw-in, the lead should position himself according to page 63 of the Mechanics Manual. We are choosing to go inside the player too often.
b. During a backcourt baseline throw-in, the lead official will be given the option to stay on one side of the lane and bounce the ball to the offensive player on the other side of the lane when there is no pressure. This will decrease the number of times the center and trail have to reset and change position. This will be detailed in the fall clinics.


NOTE: Obviously "b." should actually be referring to the Trail, not the Lead.

Could you please post the entire memo? Thanks.

Raymond Tue May 09, 2017 03:42pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1005598)
Now only the NFHS needs to go to the toss across.

Can you elaborate on A? I like going inside to not be blocked from a quick play at the basket so I'd like to hear JD's thinking on that.

Can't speak to his thinking, but I know our mechanic is not to go inside unless the throw-in is at least 1/2 way between the 3-pt line and the free throw lane line.

I personally like to stay outside so I can see the paint and the thrower-in at the same time.

Rich Tue May 09, 2017 03:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1005610)
Can't speak to his thinking, but I know our mechanic is not to go inside unless the throw-in is at least 1/2 way between the 3-pt line and the free throw lane line.

I personally like to stay outside so I can see the paint and the thrower-in at the same time.

Thanks. Appreciate it.

Camron Rust Tue May 09, 2017 04:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 1005610)
Can't speak to his thinking, but I know our mechanic is not to go inside unless the throw-in is at least 1/2 way between the 3-pt line and the free throw lane line.

I personally like to stay outside so I can see the paint and the thrower-in at the same time.

I will only go inside if the throwin would put me outside of the 3-point line.

JRutledge Tue May 09, 2017 06:00pm

1. Foul reporting
a. Make sure that our officials clear the players, clear the 3-point arc and have line of sight with the scorer (page 23 of the 2016-17 Mechanics Manual). Walking to the table from lead is unacceptable, put some zip into your movement to report.

b. When you call a foul in your primary area, report the foul to the table. We need to force switches in order to get officials in different positions on the floor.
2. Stopping the clock – Previous Mechanics Manuals referred to this as we “would like” the official to stop the clock. This year’s manual will make stopping the clock mandatory. Stopping the clock will make us better officials, allow ourselves additional time to gain insights on each
play as they happen and eliminate blarges from our game (page 25).

3. Communication – It is very important after a foul is called that we communicate effectively. Often times, our officials have a favorite “signal” that they use at the scorer’s table or at the spot of the foul. It is the official’s responsibility to communicate “what happened” on each
play using the appropriate signal (pages 78, 83-85, 88, 116, 121, 123 and 148-158).

4. Staying at trail after a foul – Again this year, staying at trail after reporting a foul will be an option if the official feels that he may have a chance to defuse a coach. Officials need to be aware of the coach’s reactions and utilize this mechanic as needed to help the game.

5. The “legally walled up signal” – The legally walled up signal was used during the 2016-17 season. This signal will be used again in 2017-18 and should only be used by the lead official. The center and trail should not be using this signal during live play.

6. Clock awareness – The 2017-18 mechanics manual will stress the importance of clock awareness. We are developing the suggested mechanics and will communicate those during the fall clinics.

7. Lead position – Throw-ins:
a. During a half court throw-in, the lead should position himself according to page 63 of the Mechanics Manual. We are choosing to go inside the player too often.

b. During a backcourt baseline throw-in, the lead official will be given the option to stay on one side of the lane and bounce the ball to the offensive player on the other side of the lane when there is no pressure. This will decrease the number of times the center and trail have to reset and change position. This will be detailed in the fall clinics.
8. Positioning

a. Trail official
(1) Should have an initial starting position at or near the 28’ hash.

(2) Should close down to get the best angle to officiate each play
(pages 29-30). In addition, it is important that our trail official does not “bail out” to begin covering a play at the other end.

(3) Should move 1-2 steps high or low to obtain a better angle between players depending on the movement of the ball. It is important to move with a purpose and not get straight lined by your movements.

(4) Should release plays that curl away from you to the new primary official.

(5) Should focus on obvious “reset the feet” travels on the perimeter and travels in the post.
b. Center official
(1) Should have an initial starting position at or near the free throw line extended.

(2) Should close down to get the best angle to officiate each play (pages 31-32).

(3) Should move 1-2 steps high or low to obtain a better angle between players depending on the movement of the ball. It is important to move with a purpose and not get straight lined by your movements.

(4) Should not leave a “good view” of an active play just because the lead rotated. After the “active play” has changed rotate to your proper position.

(5) Should officiate primary defenders on block/charge plays to the rim from
center side.

(6) Should officiate the restricted arc line on secondary defenders on block/charge plays to the rim from center side.

(7) Should release plays that curl away from you to the new primary official.

(8) Should focus on obvious “reset the feet” travels on the perimeter and travels in the post. Find the pivot in the post!
c. Lead official
(1) Should mirror the ball at Lead. It is imperative that we begin to close down as the ball moves toward the opposite side. This will allow us to be in a better position to rotate, if a rotation is needed (pages 26-28).

(2) Should officiate all primary and secondary defenders on block/charge plays to the rim down the lane and from strong side.

(3) Should officiate secondary defenders on block/charge plays initiated from
weak side.

(4) Should “take fouls to the table” on all plays to the rim in his primary area of responsibility when calling a foul.
9. Rules Committee action

The rules committee will meet May 9 – 12, 2017, in Indianapolis. All rules changes and impacted mechanics will be shared with you during the fall clinics.

SC Official Fri May 12, 2017 03:29pm

Men's changes. No move to quarters.

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...ks-future-game

JRutledge Fri May 12, 2017 06:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1005794)
Men's changes. No move to quarters.

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources...ks-future-game

Told you!!!!

Peace

Rich Fri May 12, 2017 06:34pm

38 foot box. Next they'll get all 47 feet and still won't think they have enough room to coach.

Camron Rust Fri May 12, 2017 06:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1005798)
38 foot box. Next they'll get all 47 feet and still won't think they have enough room to coach.

Perhaps the coaching box should be 84/94' x 50'. :eek:

SC Official Sat May 13, 2017 12:51pm

In summary...

1) 38-foot box
2) Shot clock resets to 20 instead of 30 on a defensive foul or violation
3) Standardizing the designated spot for certain throw-ins
4) Going to the monitor for potential RA plays in the last two minutes of the second half or overtime
5) Minimum of 0.3 to come off the clock on a legal touch
6) Feet must be no wider than shoulders for a legal screen
7) Cylinder rule adjustments

Raymond Mon Jun 19, 2017 02:02pm

Adopted Rule Changes NCAA-M
 
Just now going over the official rule changes for the 2017-18 season. They will now be certain situations where players will not be required to "sit a tick":

(Rule 3-6.1.j)
To permit a replaced player to re-enter the game when the opponents have committed a violation or foul before the game clock has been properly started.

Raymond Mon Jun 19, 2017 02:04pm

Adopted Rule Changes NCAA-M
 
Another significant change:

(Rules 4-10.2, 10-2.5 and 10-4.1.l)
To amend the current rule requiring warnings for delay penalties prior to assessing a technical foul. When a second delay is different from the first, a technical foul will be assessed for any further delay(s). When a team is warned for the same delay a second time, a technical foul will be assessed per the present Rule 4-10.2

Raymond Mon Jun 19, 2017 02:12pm

Adopted Rule Changes NCAA-M
 
You HS-only guys are going to be jealous about this one:


(Rule 10-2.3.c)
To eliminate the requirement that officials enforce penalties for wearing an illegal uniform and place the responsibility with the violating team's conference. The officials will still have the responsibility for prohibiting equipment and apparel that the official deems dangerous to other players (per rule 1-26) as well as the responsibility to enforce contrasting uniform color and number rules.

JRutledge Mon Jun 19, 2017 02:29pm

This year is going to have a lot of issues where college officials that work high school as well that will have to make sure we are not confusing the two codes together. I am going to really love the new backcourt rule that was adopted and have to make a few split second situations knowing the rules are not the same as the NF's rule.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Jun 19, 2017 02:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1007087)
This year is going to have a lot of issues where college officials that work high school as well that will have to make sure we are not confusing the two codes together. I am going to really love the new backcourt rule that was adopted and have to make a few split second situations knowing the rules are not the same as the NF's rule.

Please elaborate.

JRutledge Mon Jun 19, 2017 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1007088)
Please elaborate.

Quote:

Rule 9-12.4:

To permit either an offensive or defensive player to be the first to touch the ball in the backcourt when it has been deflected by the defense into the backcourt regardless of who was the last team to touch the ball before it went into the backcourt.

Rational:

To correct an unfairness in the current backcourt rule.
This is what I am talking about as going to be different. As well as the new throw-in spots.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Jun 19, 2017 03:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1007089)
To permit either an offensive or defensive player to be the first to touch the ball in the backcourt

The NCAA needed a change to permit a defensive player to touch the ball in the backcourt??? Strange.
The folks who write these rules don't reflect upon the wording chosen.

Camron Rust Tue Jun 20, 2017 08:02pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1007092)
The NCAA needed a change to permit a defensive player to touch the ball in the backcourt??? Strange.
The folks who write these rules don't reflect upon the wording chosen.

No, the change is to now allow both OFFENSE and defense to do so instead of just the defense. As you know, the defensive team could always touch it first, but it was a change to allow the offense to do so too.

JRutledge Tue Jun 20, 2017 08:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1007143)
No, the change is to now allow both OFFENSE and defense to do so instead of just the defense. As you know, the defensive team could always touch it first, but it was a change to allow the offense to do so too.

I kind of get his point. Why would the defense not be allowed to do this? What is the violation if the defense does this? Is it a backcourt violation on the defense?

Peace

Mregor Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1005622)
I will only go inside if the throwin would put me outside of the 3-point line.

^^^^^ This (at least back in the day when I used to work 3 person):(

so cal lurker Wed Jun 21, 2017 12:17pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1007143)
No, the change is to now allow both OFFENSE and defense to do so instead of just the defense. As you know, the defensive team could always touch it first, but it was a change to allow the offense to do so too.


Hmm. So in my son's game when I thought there was a blatant miss of a backcourt violation, maybe the official was just using the NCAA rule instead of the HS rule . . .

bucky Thu Jun 22, 2017 01:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 1007158)
Hmm. So in my son's game when I thought there was a blatant miss of a backcourt violation, maybe the official was just using the NCAA rule instead of the HS rule . . .

So still a terrible method of adjudication by the official.;)

Referee24.7 Thu Jun 22, 2017 06:28pm

That would've been awesome if the womens' side adopted that rule as well, to be the same as mens' and the NBA. . .it saves so much grief and headache from having to explain the previous rule in place. . .


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