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Burtis449 Mon Mar 27, 2017 07:28pm

NCAA Final Four Referees
 
Final Four referees:

Sirmans - Higgins - Bolgar

Valentine - Anderson - Padilla

Final Game:

Eades - Stevens - V. Harris

Alternate:

Oglesby

Raymond Mon Mar 27, 2017 07:29pm

With all the misspellings I don't know if we should take this as your guesses or as official.

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Raymond Mon Mar 27, 2017 07:30pm

Bolgar?

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big jake Mon Mar 27, 2017 08:51pm

Who is Blogar, is he new this week

AremRed Mon Mar 27, 2017 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 1003670)
Who is Blogar, is he new this week

Whitey Blogar, AKA Joe DeRosa

big jake Mon Mar 27, 2017 09:06pm

That makes sense, he is working undercover

bucky Mon Mar 27, 2017 09:44pm

Black Mass baby!

big jake Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:15am

It is really strange that Higgins still gets picked with the many missed calls in big time games he has been in. It must be that his pretty looks get him in. There are several that had better tournaments games than him that were passed over this year. Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?:o:eek::confused::rolleyes:

SC Official Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 1003701)
It is really strange that Higgins still gets picked with the many missed calls in big time games he has been in. It must be that his pretty looks get him in. There are several that had better tournaments games than him that were passed over this year. Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?:o:eek::confused::rolleyes:

1) Are we sure that the OP's information is accurate since he can't even spell the names correctly and named an official that no one has ever heard of?

2) You should take your comments to the fanboy thread.

Raymond Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:43am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1003671)
Whitey Blogar, AKA Joe DeRosa

Maybe Jerome Bolger is crossing over from the NFL.

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JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:51am

According to some other information reported, DeRosa is not working the Final Four.

Peace

AbnerKravitz Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:53am

Anderson is confirmed, via a local media outlet from his home area.

JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 09:56am

Apparently ESPN said this was the group

Mike Eades, Vern Harris, Michael Stephens, Doug Sirmons, John Higgins, Ron Groover, Ted Valentine, Jeff Anderson and Tony Padilla.

Alternate: Terry Ogelsby.

Title Game: Eades, Harris and Stephens

Peace

RefCT Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:13am

Mike Stephens is getting his 3rd in a row! Good for him.

SC Official Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:09am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RefCT (Post 1003710)
Mike Stephens is getting his 3rd in a row! Good for him.

I could live without some of the antics, but he is very good.

AremRed Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:57am

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 1003701)
It is really strange that Higgins still gets picked with the many missed calls in big time games he has been in. It must be that his pretty looks get him in. There are several that had better tournaments games than him that were passed over this year. Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?:o:eek::confused::rolleyes:

Can you reference what those "missed calls in big time games" are please?

RefRich Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1003721)
Can you reference what those "missed calls in big time games" are please?

Well, if you talk to the Kentucky fans, they have complete articles of him.

No more John Higgins please. | Kentucky Sports Radio

OKREF Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 1003701)
It is really strange that Higgins still gets picked with the many missed calls in big time games he has been in. It must be that his pretty looks get him in. There are several that had better tournaments games than him that were passed over this year. Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?:o:eek::confused::rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1003721)
Can you reference what those "missed calls in big time games" are please?

Big Jake a Kentucky fan?

JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RefRich (Post 1003725)
Well, if you talk to the Kentucky fans, they have complete articles of him.

No more John Higgins please. | Kentucky Sports Radio

I have a FB friend that is also a basketball official that has been going on and on about the officiating. Kind of funny Higgins is going to the Final Four. So I guess they will get their wish, he will not see them in the Final Four. :D

Peace

stripes Tue Mar 28, 2017 01:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RefRich (Post 1003725)
Well, if you talk to the Kentucky fans, they have complete articles of him.

No more John Higgins please. | Kentucky Sports Radio

I watched the 3 plays he questioned and agreed with the decision made on the floor on all 3. UK fans need to take off their blue tinted glasses...

Rich Tue Mar 28, 2017 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 1003701)
It is really strange that Higgins still gets picked with the many missed calls in big time games he has been in. It must be that his pretty looks get him in. There are several that had better tournaments games than him that were passed over this year. Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?:o:eek::confused::rolleyes:

163 posts and at least 100 of them in full fanboy mode.

Rich Tue Mar 28, 2017 02:33pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AbnerKravitz (Post 1003708)
Anderson is confirmed, via a local media outlet from his home area.

Really good official, but I never again want to hear that "how someone runs" is an important criteria for getting ahead in NCAA hoops.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 28, 2017 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1003736)
Really good official, but I never again want to hear that "how someone runs" is an important criteria for getting ahead in NCAA hoops.

I never intended to suggest that it is an important criteria or that it should be....but it does look goofy and good officials are often passed by due to how they look on the floor.

scrounge Tue Mar 28, 2017 02:47pm

Big Blue Nation taking it about as well as you'd expect....flood of negative reviews forces Higgins to take down his roofing company's facebook site...

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ke...wing-unc-loss/

Just wait till they hear this news!

JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 03:48pm

I have a way to solve a lot of the "how you run" situation. Do not be fat!!! If you want to be seen as someone that cannot run, then get in the gym, push away the big plates, eat better and then when these kids are running fast, no one will suggest that you cannot keep up. I have been doing this for over 20 years and the one thing I cannot ever worry about people saying about me is that I was too big and could not keep up. And it is based on many choices in life and what I do in the off season. And I was not happy BTW with my overall fitness this year, but I did some things to improve it. But we have many high school officials that look like the plumber that cannot pull his pants up and then complain when they are passed over by a guy that runs and looks like he or she can play. Control what you can control, but this is something you can control on so many levels.

Peace

BillyMac Tue Mar 28, 2017 03:50pm

If I Only Had A Brain ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 1003705)
Maybe Jerome Bolger is crossing over from the NFL.

Maybe he meant to say Ray Bolger.

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=OIP.OK7...95&w=136&h=102

Rich Tue Mar 28, 2017 03:56pm

NCAA Final Four Referees
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003746)
I have a way to solve a lot of the "how you run" situation. Do not be fat!!! If you want to be seen as someone that cannot run, then get in the gym, push away the big plates, eat better and then when these kids are running fast, no one will suggest that you cannot keep up. I have been doing this for over 20 years and the one thing I cannot ever worry about people saying about me is that I was too big and could not keep up. And it is based on many choices in life and what I do in the off season. And I was not happy BTW with my overall fitness this year, but I did some things to improve it. But we have many high school officials that look like the plumber that cannot pull his pants up and then complain when they are passed over by a guy that runs and looks like he or she can play. Control what you can control, but this is something you can control on so many levels.



Peace



I never once said anything about weight in my post. Way to take what I wrote and interpret it completely wrong.

90% of what is posted about Anderson on social media is on how he high steps up and down the floor. Great that Collins ignores that stuff, but a lot of officials wouldn't be able to get past such a thing.

JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1003748)
I never once said anything about weight in my post. Way to take what I wrote and interpret it completely wrong.

90% of what is posted about Anderson on social media is on how he high steps up and down the floor. Great that Collins ignores that stuff, but a lot of officials wouldn't be able to get past such a thing.

The funny part is I was not really responding to you. I just choose not to put the comments in quotes as it appears any comments are sensitive to what is said by certain people. Which is fine, but my comments were not even about you or in response to you directly.

Peace

Rich Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003749)
The funny part is I was not really responding to you. I just choose not to put the comments in quotes as it appears any comments are sensitive to what is said by certain people. Which is fine, but my comments were not even about you or in response to you directly.



Peace


My gibberish-to-English translator is on the fritz.

JRutledge Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:13pm

Again was not talking to you Rich. ;)

Peace

SC Official Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1003746)
I have a way to solve a lot of the "how you run" situation. Do not be fat!!! If you want to be seen as someone that cannot run, then get in the gym, push away the big plates, eat better and then when these kids are running fast, no one will suggest that you cannot keep up. I have been doing this for over 20 years and the one thing I cannot ever worry about people saying about me is that I was too big and could not keep up. And it is based on many choices in life and what I do in the off season. And I was not happy BTW with my overall fitness this year, but I did some things to improve it. But we have many high school officials that look like the plumber that cannot pull his pants up and then complain when they are passed over by a guy that runs and looks like he or she can play. Control what you can control, but this is something you can control on so many levels.

Peace

In my state, the plumber official will get chosen over the fit one if he does better on the state exam.

Rich Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC Official (Post 1003753)
In my state, the plumber official will get chosen over the fit one if he does better on the state exam.


I'll hire the one who gets the most calls right.

bucky Tue Mar 28, 2017 04:31pm

Jrut/Rich make good points. I like "control what you can control" as a general rule for everyone to follow, myself especially included. I also agree about the high stepping. No question a great official but it detracts from the game too much.

Extreme example coming!!!

Imagine, the ideal official. This official is the greatest official of all time and never gets a call incorrect and no coaches ever disagree with him/her. This official looks perfect and acts perfectly. Simply the best! Now, imagine this same official moving on the court by doing back flips. As a player/coach/spectator/partner, I would find this too distracting. Should I? No, but I do.

When I watch his games, I find myself diverting my eyes from the players/action, to him. There are other annoying things that officials do but they are infrequent. When someone runs, it is literally every step, and running is frequent is basketball.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 28, 2017 06:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1003756)
Jrut/Rich make good points. I like "control what you can control" as a general rule for everyone to follow, myself especially included. I also agree about the high stepping. No question a great official but it detracts from the game too much.

Extreme example coming!!!

Imagine, the ideal official. This official is the greatest official of all time and never gets a call incorrect and no coaches ever disagree with him/her. This official looks perfect and acts perfectly. Simply the best! Now, imagine this same official moving on the court by doing back flips. As a player/coach/spectator/partner, I would find this too distracting. Should I? No, but I do.

When I watch his games, I find myself diverting my eyes from the players/action, to him. There are other annoying things that officials do but they are infrequent. When someone runs, it is literally every step, and running is frequent is basketball.

Well said.

Kansas Ref Tue Mar 28, 2017 07:04pm

My take is that said referee runs in that fashion because he has moderate pain in his knees---the high stepping gait is less painful that the foot-striking motion of a normal run. Try it out yourself: highstepping gait puts less stress on your knees. I've tried it myself; however, in games officiated I run in the normal fashion.

Raymond Tue Mar 28, 2017 07:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref (Post 1003761)
My take is that said referee runs in that fashion because he has moderate pain in his knees---the high stepping gait is less painful that the foot-striking motion of a normal run. Try it out yourself: highstepping gait puts less stress on your knees. I've tried it myself; however, in games officiated I run in the normal fashion.

I have met him at camps a couple of times. He is not adverse to attention.

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Adam Tue Mar 28, 2017 07:53pm

Just a reminder: if you want to act like a fanboy, take it to a fan forum. There are plenty.

KCref11 Tue Mar 28, 2017 10:55pm

He runs like that because it keeps him from hamstring injuries. Jeff is a good ref and a better guy. Always makes time to come to board meetings and mentor younger officials. Proud of him for getting a Final 4 assignment.

RefCT Wed Mar 29, 2017 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCref11 (Post 1003773)
He runs like that because it keeps him from hamstring injuries. Jeff is a good ref and a better guy. Always makes time to come to board meetings and mentor younger officials. Proud of him for getting a Final 4 assignment.

Completely agree. I was at a camp where Mike Stephens and Jeff Anderson both attended. Stephens was an arrogant prick that said you could ask him any questions, he was there for us, yet when I approached him to ask a question, he looked up from his phone briefly (barely acknowledging me) and then gave a brush off answer. It was clear he had no interest in interacting. FTR - the question was how he watches his videos (what he looks for and focuses on) and what tips he could give me to get the most out of watching myself on video. Relevant since the camp videotaped us and I always end up watching the game instead of focusing on myself. Nobody ever really taught me how to watch myself and on video and use it to improve.

Jeff on the other hand was on the floor and interacting with us and giving us great feedback and tips on position to help see plays better.

It was like night and day. The experience really soured me on Mike from a personal level, especially since he gave this story about wanting to help the younger officials like others helped him and that he loves being the biggest advocate for his guys. I know others that work for him (he is a coordinator for some conferences up here) and they say he is great if you are one of his guys. I do think he is a great official and am happy for him.

roaceltic1 Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:29pm

What happened to Roger Ayers?

Raymond Wed Mar 29, 2017 02:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by roaceltic1 (Post 1003798)
What happened to Roger Ayers?

Didn't advance this year, but quite certain he's still alive. Mike Eades is one of his best friends, I'm sure he'll be in Glendale showing his support.

LRZ Wed Mar 29, 2017 07:29pm

Didn't Hank Nichols run that way? Didn't hurt his career.

Texas Aggie Fri Mar 31, 2017 01:13am

Quote:

Looks like the buddy system is going strong in the NCAA?
You don't say.

There are these types of problems in both men's and women's.

Rich Fri Mar 31, 2017 01:18am

Watching the same official work 3 consecutive conference championships in 3 nights was the only thing that really stood out to me.

Raymond Fri Mar 31, 2017 07:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1003927)
Watching the same official work 3 consecutive conference championships in 3 nights was the only thing that really stood out to me.

Were they for the same supervisor? If so, yeah, that would be a problem. But if 3 different supervisors wanted the same official, that's something different.

Rich Fri Mar 31, 2017 07:52am

Don't know.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/5cd3e...rence-tourneys

AremRed Fri Mar 31, 2017 08:44am

It's slightly different in women's where one woman controls several major conferences.

Raymond Fri Mar 31, 2017 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1003948)
It's slightly different in women's where one woman controls several major conferences.

Curtis Shaw, Bryan Kersey, Bobby Dibler?

michblue Sat Apr 01, 2017 05:49pm

I can only imagine Kentucky fans right now seeing John Higgins work Game 1 tonight at the Final Four

Multiple Sports Sat Apr 01, 2017 06:51pm

I could care less what Big Blue Nation thinks....John is one of the best we have, I'm glad he is there !!!!

AremRed Sat Apr 01, 2017 08:31pm

I'd bet a crapton of money that JD told Teddy to tone things down during the end of the season and the tournament, I've watched two of his tournament games and he does not seem like the "TV Teddy" of old with the excessive signals and such. He wore Nike's with a giant white swoosh during the regular season but check out his kicks tonight -- he colored them in.

bucky Sat Apr 01, 2017 08:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004115)
I'd bet a crapton of money that JD told Teddy to tone things down during the end of the season and the tournament, I've watched two of his tournament games and he does not seem like the "TV Teddy" of old with the excessive signals and such. He wore Nike's with a giant white swoosh during the regular season but check out his kicks tonight -- he colored them in.

Yes, I would also participate in said wager.

Nevadaref Sat Apr 01, 2017 08:43pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports (Post 1004097)
I could care less what Big Blue Nation thinks....John is one of the best we have, I'm glad he is there !!!!

Is that really what you mean?

JRutledge Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004115)
I'd bet a crapton of money that JD told Teddy to tone things down during the end of the season and the tournament, I've watched two of his tournament games and he does not seem like the "TV Teddy" of old with the excessive signals and such. He wore Nike's with a giant white swoosh during the regular season but check out his kicks tonight -- he colored them in.

I believe he has been wearing them most of the season. And this is how the new ones are made for the most part (or can be bought that way more regularly).

Something tells me they do not care what shoes the guys have on for the most part either.

Peace

BigCat Sat Apr 01, 2017 10:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004115)
I'd bet a crapton of money that JD told Teddy to tone things down during the end of the season and the tournament, I've watched two of his tournament games and he does not seem like the "TV Teddy" of old with the excessive signals and such. He wore Nike's with a giant white swoosh during the regular season but check out his kicks tonight -- he colored them in.

Those are air max 2017. All black. Even the swoosh. No painting needed. Good shoes. Finish line. I have a pair.

michblue Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:05pm

Completely agree with the comments about John Higgins being one of the very best in the business. My comment post about Kentucky fans was sarcastic. I could care less as well what Kentucky fans think.

bucky Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1004151)
Those are air max 2017. All black. Even the swoosh. No painting needed. Good shoes. Finish line. I have a pair.

Good running shoes.

Referee24.7 Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:46pm

I was hoping Keith Kimble would've gotten an opportunity - really damn good official. . .

Also, was crossing fingers that Ratstatter would've finally gotten his shot, but that game just killed it for him. . .unfortunate. . .

stripes Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1004115)
I'd bet a crapton of money that JD told Teddy to tone things down during the end of the season and the tournament, I've watched two of his tournament games and he does not seem like the "TV Teddy" of old with the excessive signals and such. He wore Nike's with a giant white swoosh during the regular season but check out his kicks tonight -- he colored them in.

Do you think they told him not call out of his area? He definitely got that message.

AremRed Sun Apr 02, 2017 08:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1004151)
Those are air max 2017. All black. Even the swoosh. No painting needed. Good shoes. Finish line. I have a pair.

Nope, I saw a closeup on the broadcast and they were clearly colored in with a Sharpie. I know they sell the 2017 Air Max in all black but Teddy wote the ones with the white swoosh all season.

BigCat Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:49am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucky (Post 1004157)
Good running shoes.

Yes Bucky, when you're old you need good cushion. I wouldnt wear them to run miles because i use Hoka for that. Hoka's have even more cushion. For refereeing they are still my favorite...and if a shoe is black ive tried it. The air max 2017 works best for me.

P. S. (I havnt fined you lately. Perhaps i should for your thoughts on the double dribble thread....:) take care.)


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