HIJAB ISSUE IN MARYLAND PLAYOFF GAME
Not to derail, but I saw this today and thought it was related--at least along the garbage lines of suggesting racial bias on the part of the officials:
HIJAB ISSUE IN MARYLAND PLAYOFF GAME https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.e5f287fdece4 "But we've done this all year and it's never been a problem" / "That hasn't been called a foul all season" is one of my favorite refrains from coaches. |
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The governing body threw this crew under the bus and drove it over them a few times. |
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RE: the hijab issue... how am I, as the official assigned to that game, supposed to know if the proper documentation has been submitted to the state or not?
To me, it's similar to a player-eligiblity question... if anyone brings it up as a concern, I'll tell them to file a report with the state after the game. I've had several games the last few years with players wearing hijabs... it's a non-issue. |
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Players, on the other hand, don't require special permission to play, generally. Being ineligible is the exception. By not asking and letting players play with illegal clothing, you are making yourself part of the problem. Such inaction leads to articles like the above. |
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Hijab: Yes, the governing body responded horribly. Take a neutral stance with an eye toward future adjustments, at least. Sheesh.
Diversity training? Give me a break! Waste of time and a politically correct overreaction. The rule is outdated and needs some tweaking for common items such as hijabs and yarmulkas, which I doubt would become abused and unsafe fashion trends on their own. Unfortunately sometimes it takes an unfortunate circumstance like this one to get the committee's attention. I'll bet it did, and I'll bet we see a change in April. That would be a worthy victory for common sense. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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with a waiver. |
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This falls on the servicing association (MultipleSports??) and the school's AD. Both or either should have addressed this with the state governing body way back in December. |
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I could go on and on about the hijab issue. I have had games with that situation and each time the team provided the direct documentation. How could that many officials not inform the school/state association/other officials/the player/AD/etc? How could it not be common knowledge that that school had a player wearing one and it not be addressed waaaaaay in advance? How could the state association react that way? How could all of the previous officials not be disciplined in some way? Why would the state association care about the NFHS when they can create their own allowed deviation from the rule just as shot clocks, coaching boxes, and other rules are? How could the AD not have investigated at the beginning of the school year when discovering a student might possibly participate? How could the player/coach/parents not have inquired with all school officials before the season began? Why didn't the player remove it to play? Oh, you mean she did not want to deviate from her religion's rule but they all want the officials to deviate from the rules? (yea, that is a little extreme but still) OK, rant over and it appears that i did go on and on anyway. Sorry, no need for anyone to respond to me, just bugs me big time when something negative happens to a student athlete as the result of a whole bunch of people (adults) not acting appropriately. I will expect fine coming for post containing too many words:) |
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The fact is that there is a religious exception for covering a players head. I am not going to ask someone to prove their religion. That is just me. |
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An official that follows the rules should never get reprimanded or made a scape goat. Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk |
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I'll admit this -- I would've likely made a phone call during warmups. |
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The point of me bringing up the headbands in the other game is that as long as no one make an issue out of it then it is not an issue. |
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If I saw them the first time in January, I'm disallowing it and letting the coach know all he has to do is contact the state for the exception and this all goes away. In the day of emails, it would likely be done within a single business day. By the time you get late in the season, officials are being scrutinized more closely. Once you're in the playoffs, there's no way they can let this go without repercussions. Of course, having the state supervisor throw you under the bus doesn't help. |
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"Do you have a waiver from the state office?" The answer to that question would guide my next decision. We had a player in a hijab this year. The coach BROUGHT ME the waiver. I feel for the officials who are being ridiculed for doing what they're supposed to do -- follow the rules. |
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Anyone else, like CJP, is just making excuses. If you don't want to do it, that's fine, I don't care, don't justify it with straw men arguments. |
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If someone didn't tell him all season, those officials did him a disservice. If he was told in previous games and chose not to follow up, that's on him. |
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Peace |
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Hmm, you did successfully derail the thread.:( |
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(I have indeed used an email on my phone as a form of documentation to show a coach) |
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I am going to accept the fact that there is an exception to the rule and apply my own common sense that her religion requires her to cover her head. The game was not close and the coach wanted to let her play, so be it. No harm at all. I am done with the thread. Have a wonderful day. |
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Sounds good to me, but I would neither use the word "waiver" nor the word "something". I do not like the use of waiver as it, by definition, relinquishes something. I would use words like "documentation", "approval", "evidence" (words/derivatives in the rule book) or synonyms. Instead of "something", I would use the words used in the rule book, "religious medal", and "medical alert medal". Don't mean to split hairs and I also totally understand your view. I was moreso making fun of the semantics surrounding the words that we use (I am guilty too) and now I have even taken this thread too far, lol. No worries, no need to reply, and I am done with this thread.:) |
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You can argue semantics all you like, but like has been pointed out before, you are just kicking the can down the road for the next official to deal with these types of things. I get really frustrated when I get a game in February and I have to hear from a coach, "Well none of the other officials this year have said anything." Anything sub varsity I wouldn't care, and would just inform the coach/player that they need to adjust for the next level. At the varsity level I care, and not at the level I care for JC/D3. JC/D3 I apply the letter of law, as written all times, that's the expectation. |
Separated the posts w/discussion on hijab into new thread
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The State Association better watch what they say. The NFHS has been known to pull seats from rules committees when states don't enforce rules.
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But, when you're talking about varsity basketball, particularly state tournaments, there is a right way to do things and a wrong way. That is why the rules exist and a process exists to obtain a waiver. The coach should have asked for the permission to play. The state almost certainly would have granted it. It is not the official's job to set aside rules because the others botched their job. In every state tournament I've been part of we have been explicitly told to enforce any and all uniform requirements and, if we don't, expect that it will impact our chances of advancing. While it is certainly not the only criteria, why would any official ignore what they've been explicitly told to do when they're told it will negatively impact them. The coach and state botched this one, not the officials. They did the job they were hired to do. I would expect the coach and state to do theirs. |
I'm doing exactly as CJP. Let her play. If anyone has a problem with it I'll tell them to file a complaint. I will let my chapter know after the game and they can deal with it.
An aside to the uniform rules, at the state tournament here, they specifically tell the officials not to worry about uniform issues such as headbands. Knowing that, I'm definitely not addressing this issue. And if I'm not the R and in your crew and you want to enforce it, I will voice my disagreement but will support you by not saying a word or being anywhere near the conversation with the coach, that is all you. If I'm the R, we are not addressing it and she is playing. |
Story was on the local news tonight.
They never mentioned the fact that the rule has been there for a long time, just never enforced. They just leave it hanging that these refs used "bad judgement" enforcing the rule in this game. |
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Every prior game allowed for at least one observant, engaged, rules aware official, who should know the uniform rules, to bring this to the attention of the coach and point him in the direction of a legit solution. It would be incumbent on the coach to pursue the proper waiver instead of peddling the old chestnut, "It was never mentioned all season". Disgraceful reactions on so many different levels.... |
Did anyone ask Maryland why they were throwing their officials under the bus?
Diversity training? Really? https://twitter.com/MPSSAA_Org |
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I have to agree with Camron Rust. As an evaluator during the state championships I would have marked down the crew without addressing the issue. WA state plays multiple sites and has a state representative during the state championship games that would make a decision on this situation before the game started. It would then be out of the hands of the crew. If you don't follow the rule book and an injury occurs from the hijab during play it puts the crew in a situation where they could be included in a lawsuit. I've heard of instances where the crew was included in lawsuits because they didn't follow the rule book. Don't put your crew in this situation.
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I think it is silly to use the threat of a lawsuit here. I mean, I would hate to see a coach out of his box all night long and we ignore it and a kid hits him and get injured. I cannot imagine a serious injury happening as a result of this kid wearing the hijab in the picture that would be more serious than a kid hitting a coach standing on the floor while running full speed. I know - strawman but give me a break. Lawsuit = joke. |
Those who would let this player in the game in violation of a rule are not likely advance in their careers AND are setting themselves up for problems.
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It's surely not the only factor.
But consider that this is a playoff game. You're not just working this for your assignor, but for other potential assignors as well, assignors that work higher levels. |
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At the JV level you see V guys do games where they let this go and you say, "man if I did that game I wouldn't let that happen. Why do they keep getting these games?" At the V level you see JC/D3 guys do games and let this go and say "man if I did that game I wouldn't let that happen. Why do they keep getting these games?" This goes on and on, and the pure fact is NO ONE CARES. IF you can ref the game, manage the coach and the game, and the COACHES trust you YOU DO THE GAMES. The assignor has some power, but if all the coaches get to list 10 guys that they would want working the final four and all the coaches put the same 10-15 guys on that list. GUESS WHAT? The guys working those games will be FROM THAT LIST. So you can keep thinking that the uniform rule will hold you back, but it wont. It will just be a half ass excuse or reason you are given to (1) not advance or (2) not work any more for an assignor. |
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