Block/Charge Do you think C should have had this?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

...except a philosophical [comment] with regard to using the term: secondary defender. There is no such thing as a secondary defender...

Oh, Mark. Sigh.

I get it, higher levels invented this definition and it hasn't made it into NFHS Rule 4 yet, nor will it so long as we don't have a restricted area in high school. But there is absolutely nothing....NOTHING....wrong with using the phrase as a descriptor of modern defensive strategy vis-à-vis the evolution of officiating mechanics.

Purism is the enemy of innovation.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Oh, Mark. Sigh.

I get it, higher levels invented this definition and it hasn't made it into NFHS Rule 4 yet, nor will it so long as we don't have a restricted area in high school. But there is absolutely nothing....NOTHING....wrong with using the phrase as a descriptor of modern defensive strategy vis-à-vis the evolution of officiating mechanics.

Purism is the enemy of innovation.

Thank you. I am so tired of this nonsense about secondary Defenders and if Naismith didn't write it then it doesn't exist. Geez.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Thank you. I am so tired of this nonsense about secondary Defenders and if Naismith didn't write it then it doesn't exist. Geez.

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I've been ringing the bell on how to cover this play for years now.....and I always said how does a C officiate a dribble drive and know if a secondary defender out of the L's primary established LGP?

Then people point at the floor and say that the contact happened outside the lane. So what? The L is the official who watched that defender either establish or not establish LGP.

I'd expect, as a lead, to be able to ship this with a single whistle and not have to wait to make sure a C didn't make a call. If the C blows on it, it should be after the L has nothing.

I jokingly say "lead is king" in these situations, but I do think there's too much of an effort to give calls where the lead is best positioned to make a call to outside officials.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rich

i've been ringing the bell on how to cover this play for years now.....and i always said how does a c officiate a dribble drive and know if a secondary defender out of the l's primary established lgp?

Then people point at the floor and say that the contact happened outside the lane. So what? The l is the official who watched that defender either establish or not establish lgp.

I'd expect, as a lead, to be able to ship this with a single whistle and not have to wait to make sure a c didn't make a call. If the c blows on it, it should be after the l has nothing.

I jokingly say "lead is king" in these situations, but i do think there's too much of an effort to give calls where the lead is best positioned to make a call to outside officials.

yes!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

yes!

Sorry, I'm on a roll.

Some officials say, "well, what's the harm of a double whistle?"

Nothing if you don't think 2 officials having to look at each other, decide who's taking the call, THEN giving a preliminary signal doesn't make the crew look indecisive or confused.

If I have the only whistle, I can quickly confirm that and come right out with what I have. I've worked really hard to not lay on a second whistle on plays I'm supposed to give up to another official.