ACC Tournament Plays (Video and requests)
 

If you have any plays from this tournament, make the request here.

Here is the first play I witnessed.

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Miami v Syracuse
2nd half about 19:00 left
Possible BI with Syracuse on defense.

Play #2: Already beat you to it. :D

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Play#1) Score bar in way. Can't quite see right foot on catch. Not enough info for me.

Play#2) BI

#1- I thought he was still in the process of collecting the ball when the feet were moving. I do not see a travel.

#2- Yes on BI

Play #2; I have a flag on the play for excessive # of suits on the bench! :D

#1: May or may not have travelled by jumping and landing after catching the pass. Afterwards he does travel my lifting his pivot foot (right foot) prior to releasing the ball for his dribble.

13 guys in suits

About 4:50 in first half of Duke/Clemson game. Technical on Grayson Allen. I did not agree with it for his actions. Maybe something verbal although official next to him did not turn/look at all. T official was watching him entire time and called it. At half time, Jason Williams defended Allen and began discussion swearing in basketball and that it happens all the time. So, maybe Allen swore but again, closest official (4 feet?) did not even flinch.

Allen T shown.
 

Play #3:
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Allen might have got it for the bounce and not catching it, saying something, and reacting to the call. Probably a combination of things.

Play 1
If a Travel is called it is because he lifted up the Right (Pivot) foot before he released the ball to start the dribble. This action happens alot on the games I see on TV without being called. It that official calls it, then he needs to look for it and call it the rest of the game. Once is not enough.

Play 2
Why is there a comment during the video "is the ball in the cylinder?" Isn't it only BI if you touch the ball while it is in the cylinder? Now if you pull on the rim or net while the ball is on the rim, then that is also BI. So is the rim returning to it's original position while in contact with the ball? Maybe

Play 3
GA has issues. He deserves a T :D

The official who made the call wasn't paying attention to Grayson's actions, he had no idea Allen slammed the ball. The calling official was walking towards the table to report and Allen was moving the opposite direction. The Trail T'd Allen immediately upon slamming the ball. Allen lost all benefit of the doubt a long time ago. You reap what you sow.

Like I tell guys in the trenches during a football game (as the Umpire)... Don't make me have to make a decision, because you might not like the decision I make.

Who is the foul on?
 

Play #4:

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March Madness Indeed......
 

Check out Wake Forest's, Greg McClinton's three pointer on a baseball pass as time expires in the first half. Nothing but net.

They said it's the only three pointer he's EVER made in college! Clearly gone.....

Terrible defense by the Hokies. They left him wide open.

UVa-Pitt 10:24 2H. UVa defender is straight up, Pitt player turns into him and foul is called on UVa

If Play #1, in the OP, is a travel, then college teams would score approximately 15 points a night.

I don't think it is even a travel by the most strict application of the rule (both feet came down at the same time so he gets to pick the pivot). So, yeah, I agree that if you call things travels that are not, scoring will suffer badly.

If it was a pass as time expires, then wouldn't the ball become dead immediately?:eek:

What does the rule say?

Actually, who cares? If a player throws the ball one handed in the direction of the basket as time's expiring, tell me one official who would consider it anything but a try?

It was clearly a pass to the VT player who inbounded the ball.

Wait, I'm a baseball umpire and don't work basketball. Oh, and Im a VT grad. No, not a fan boy hear. Move along nothing to see. ;^)

Exactly. Not to mention the closest teammate to where he threw the ball was over 50 feet away. I'd say that was NOT a pass by any stretch of the imagination.

Answering a question with a question. Nice. Don't you know the rule Rich?

Presuming grunewar is an official, that would be one. grunewar said it was a pass. Did you not read the post, lol? Maybe we should review the 2-point vs 3-point deflected pass thread. There will be some officials there that consider the ball being thrown in the direction of the basket anything but a try, lol.

Every play is a snowflake. There are no two that are alike.

BNR, agree with everything you said, including most of the above, EXCEPT the T didn't hit the whistle or react until he saw the ball bounding away. Seems Grayson basically got T'ed because he didn't catch his own bounce/slam of the ball. Valid. (Doubtful if T would have heard any muttered swearing from that far away? But if he did, that is indeed another explanation. Just seems unlikely in that noisy setting. And even then, it seems he might be getting on himself. ... OK maybe THAT one is a stretch.)

I think bucky was making a point about grunewar's description of the play as a "baseball pass" and his not calling it a "baseball-pass try"

All of us (including, I assume, bucky) knew what grunewar meant -- and I didn't get bucky's point until the latter discussion. Still, some of us do comment on other's word choices from time-to-time.

And those who live in glass houses and all that.... :D

I'm wondering if you're being intentionally obtuse ... or if you simply don't get it. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now ... but "baseball pass" is not a rulebook term. It's a descriptive term, and it means the ball was thrown overhand with one arm, like one would throw a baseball (or football). It doesn't mean it meets the definition of "pass" as used in basketball and specifically in the rules you're talking about.

A ball thrown at the basket with the intent of putting it IN that basket, is a try --- even if thrown overhand with one arm.

And you know that.

Obtuse? You have seen Shawshank Redemption, a good flick.

I hear what you are saying and yes, knew what he meant, which is why I had the EEK emoji and the LOLs. My mistake for wasting time with that.

Play #4

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1:08 1H UVa/ND. UVa defender "reaches in," makes contact with only the ball and pokes it away and is called for a foul.

I think you can argue from that last angle that 33 White moved his torso into the ball-handler. I didn't really notice it during the broadcast.

I do not think that is why the foul was called. It appeared to be called for the body contact that loosened the ball.

Here is the play.

Play #5:

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Nothing on the Va.-Pitt play. I'm not even gonna split the hair on whether the post defender moved toward the offensive player. That's great defense.

Nothing on the Va.-ND "reach in" play. Because, well, nothing happened.

Clear BI on the tugging-the-net play.

Play #6:

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Agree. Moving forward, knocks shooter off balance and causes him to lose the ball.

I'm not judging the call one way or another. I just don't agree with the Trail coming to get this play when the Lead was right there and the Center (his primary in transition) had a clear look.

That is why I post these plays man. I like it when people find little stuff that is not upfront in the video. I agree. I think the Lead or the Center had this play better. I see why he called it, but I think he was not the best person to call it.

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Hmm. My first thought was that was a good get by the new T. The old T is starting to transition and is a bit straitlined, the C is all the way across the court, and T was following the play. I think he got it right, and particularly in crunch time, this is a great call. The bump causing the travel pretty much forced him to make it, I'm guessing it was going to be a play on if the ballhandler kept going up the floor. I liked his mechanics in that he closed down on it and was decisive and clear.

If you're going to take a call right in front of your partner, particularly one in perfect position, it better be obvious and right. And it wasn't. The player had LGP and got run into. He didn't do anything wrong. It wasn't a block. Even if you don't agree with it not being a block, that isn't the type of call to go get that far away like that.

The Lead and Trail have the same angle from opposite sides of the play, so I don't know how the Lead is straight-lined and the Trail is not.

The C has sideline-to-sideline in transition, especially at the mid-court area, that play is his primary.

Agree. The new T was looking through several other players too. Not a good look.

Hmmmm....foul on 3pt shot, 13:00 in 2H.

What game?

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Oops, Duke/UNC

Lead calls a foul on 3 in the corner

Duke vs UNC 7:55 second half
 

scramble for the ball and ball goes oob. During dead ball the camera shows Duke player Kennard who ended up on his butt oob. One of the refs offers his hand to help Kennard up and Kennard slaps the refs hand away. At least that is what I saw. The camera shows it very briefly. There was no call made and from what I could tell the action was ignored and rightly so.

My take is, do not offer to help Kennard up.

Play #7:

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Play 7: Obvious travel. T must have been watching up top for contact but knowing they need a 3, T needs to see the feet in relation to the line and thus, should have gotten such a blatant travel.