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Amesman Thu Mar 02, 2017 03:24pm

Video request: NU/Mich 1-and-1 confusion
 
Can someone (Rut?) post the sequence around that Michigan FTA late in the second half where none of the players move on the front-end miss? Maybe 4-5 minutes to go in the game.

I recall C raising his hand to chop in a possible miss but would like to see how everything was handled before and during, with signaling 1-and-1 (not 2 shots), etc. Players definitely blew it, and Michigan got ball back on the arrow.

Of course the commoners' belief is that the officials somehow blew it. Sigh.

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 04:39pm

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 1001523)
Can someone (Rut?)

LOL!!! It does seem like I am the only one doing this. But I can do this so I will. :D

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 1001523)
Of course the commoners' belief is that the officials somehow blew it. Sigh.

I actually thought Steven Bardo actually did not rip the officials. He basically said that Northwestern should have been alert. But the question is what did the administering official say in the lane.

He looks like he thinks it is two shots by the way he enters the lane.

Peace

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:08pm

Here is the video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/hDMEr6Wtb5s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

Rich Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:21pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1001544)
Here is the video.

Peace

He clearly signaled 2 before the free throw.

AremRed Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:30pm

It's been a long season for Mr. Wymer. Clearly signals 2 shots. Too bad Szelc or Steretore couldn't catch it.

It's been a rough season for the B1G staff. Michigan State vs. Florida Gulf Coast clock starting early, Indiana vs. Purdue blarge, this.

JRutledge Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:43pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1001546)
He clearly signaled 2 before the free throw.

I did not see a clear signal. I saw something that looks like he signaled two shots, but that is not seeing his hand in total. Either way, he clearly did not ask for sure and the calling official did not make sure he had the right situation. This is certainly what happens when you do not communicate properly or observe.

Peace

Amesman Thu Mar 02, 2017 05:55pm

Thanks, Rut. Definitely an ouch moment for crew. That "2 shots" signal is clear as L backs out of the lane.

And you're right about Bardo. He was really pretty on it, as was the other announcer who said it would be a 1-and-1 right after the call.

I remember Collins mouthing "But we got the rebound!" which I thought was bogus at the time, but turns out to be true in the most technical of senses, though it was still an actionless rebounding scenario.

By the way, my "commoners" comment was about the officemates. I was their interpreter today.

Adam Thu Mar 02, 2017 06:50pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1001547)
It's been a long season for Mr. Wymer. Clearly signals 2 shots. Too bad Szelc or Steretore couldn't catch it.

It's been a rough season for the B1G staff. Michigan State vs. Florida Gulf Coast clock starting early, Indiana vs. Purdue blarge, this.

I wouldn't put the blarge in that category. It's not a great thing, but it's hardly the end of the world: even if it ends up fouling out two players with one call.

bucky Thu Mar 02, 2017 07:40pm

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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 1001523)
Can someone (Rut?) post the sequence around that Michigan FTA late in the second half where none of the players move on the front-end miss? Maybe 4-5 minutes to go in the game.

I recall C raising his hand to chop in a possible miss but would like to see how everything was handled before and during, with signaling 1-and-1 (not 2 shots), etc. Players definitely blew it, and Michigan got ball back on the arrow.

Of course the commoners' belief is that the officials somehow blew it. Sigh.

They did blow it. Monster mistake for a crew of that caliber.

hamnegger Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:48pm

Was that Elaine from Seinfeld? It shows how everyone can lose focus and screw up. There is a human element to our profession that can't be fixed. I wonder if there are any ramifications from their assignor/evaluator.

VaTerp Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:52pm

My thoughts from the couch:

I don't like that call coming from the L. I think he should have been more patient and gave the C first crack at that.

I think 2 shots should have been awarded.

He clearly signals 2 shots before putting the ball at the disposal of the FT shooter.

The C, who was obviously the calling official, looks like he's ready to start the clock after the 1st FT so he clearly knew it should have been 1-1. He must not have seen the L indicate 2. But again, its clear that the L did indicate 2 shots.

JRutledge Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:05am

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Originally Posted by hamnegger (Post 1001564)
Was that Elaine from Seinfeld? It shows how everyone can lose focus and screw up. There is a human element to our profession that can't be fixed. I wonder if there are any ramifications from their assignor/evaluator.

Yes that was Julie Ann Dreyfus. She has a daughter that goes to school there. Ironically one of my friends met her as her daughter is also going there and they are both in the same class.

Peace

Rich Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:07am

Julia Louis-Dreyfus even. :)

Camron Rust Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:11am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 1001565)
My thoughts from the couch:

I don't like that call coming from the L. I think he should have been more patient and gave the C first crack at that.

I think 2 shots should have been awarded.

He clearly signals 2 shots before putting the ball at the disposal of the FT shooter.

The C, who was obviously the calling official, looks like he's ready to start the clock after the 1st FT so he clearly knew it should have been 1-1. He must not have seen the L indicate 2. But again, its clear that the L did indicate 2 shots.

Agree. The L clearly indicated 2.

I find it interesting that the administering official, being the one who had primary coverage on the drive, thought it was 2. I think there is a good case for arguing that it should have been 2 all along. Perhaps he thought it was obviously a 2 and never say the lead indicate otherwise.

A Pennsylvania Coach Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:12am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 1001565)
My thoughts from the couch:

I don't like that call coming from the L. I think he should have been more patient and gave the C first crack at that.

The lead saw a foul before the act of shooting began and you want him to wait and whistle it even later? :confused:


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