![]() |
NCAA: Coach Requesting a Timeout Under 1 Minute?
Can a coach request a timeout during a live ball with under 1 minute left to play in the game? I cannot find any mention of this in the NCAA rule or casebook.
Situation: :22.5 left in second half. V in possession of the ball. T, who is standing next to V bench blows whistle and raises open palm to indicate a timeout has been granted to V as requested by V coach. At virtually the same time, L blows whistle and raises fist to indicate a foul on H. The officials confer and rule that timeout request came first. V coach argues that a timeout cannot be called from bench during a live ball. Officials confer, agree with V coach and decide to report the foul, which will lead to free throws for V. H coach starts arguing that the bench can call a timeout under 1 minute. L & T confer with H coach and decide, that, yes, this is correct, and re-report to the table that the timeout has indeed been granted, the foul is rescinded, and that there will be a throw in after the time out. You can see what happened here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hawlzWa1NE#t=2h12m12s |
Wow.
Didn't watch the video, but coach cannot call a live ball timeout at any point in the game. However, if the officials determine the whistle for the timeout came before the foul, this should be treated as an inadvertent whistle. You can't pretend that it didn't happen and decide to enforce the foul. |
Wow, indeed. That was an absolute mess. I agree with jpcg99's assessment.
Maybe C does more HS games then college games, brain farted, and just had an IW? In any case, the crew was leaderless and no one stepped up to logically get them to resolution. If jpcg99 is on that crew, he says, "Look, coach can't call that TO, so what happened first, the IW or the foul?" Answer that question, then proceed accordingly after the obligatory explanations to the coaches. Should take no more than 45 seconds to do all of that. I believe there may be a suspension looming. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
And quite frankly no one is loosing a game over such a call, unless it happens multiple times or is a pattern with an official/crew. |
Quote:
|
The NCAAW rule is different.
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
The only options this crew has are 1. IW, then ignore the contact, then grant the TO if still wanted 2. IW, don't ignore the contact and call a T, then grant the TO if still wanted 3. Agree the foul came before the IW, administer the foul and then grant the TO if still wanted |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
|
Quote:
timeout during this dead ball, the timeout shall be recognized and.." incorrect? When at the disposal for a throw-in, the ball is live. Looks like a typo. |
Quote:
Also NOT granting a coach a TO when he can legally request one (during a stoppage of play) will guarantee a call from your assignor IF the coach contacts said assignor (which in my experience with this stuff they will). |
Quote:
During both case plays when the TOs are requested, is the ball live (in-play)? The ball is at the disposal of the thrower-in and the other a player is airborne. During these plays, TOs can be requested but not legally granted. If they are granted by the official, it is an IW. At this point, the official "is permitted to inquire as to whether Team A still wants a timeout." The official can say at the spot, " My IW, the coach is not allowed to request a TO." It is up to the official if he wants to to put the ball in play or ask if the Coach A still wants a TO; at least that is what I am understanding. |
Quote:
In cases when it's a throw in ANYONE (from team with ball) can "call" a TO. In cases where a player is airborne falling OOB NOONE can "call" a TO. |
Quote:
Yes, the IW caused the ball to be dead and anyone can legally request a TO at that point. But the onus is on the Coach or player to request a TO during this deadball period after the IW. The official can inquire if the Coach still wants the TO or put the ball back in play explaining it was an IW (as I understand it). Players and coaches can call/request for a TO whenever they want; it is up to official to blow the whistle and grant the TO at the appropriate moment. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
The TO requested while the ball was at the disposal is inpored. But if A requests a TO during the deadball created by the IW, that request is honored. And, the official can ask if A still wants the TO. If A requests a TO, whether or not the official asks, the TO should be granted. |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
Quote:
When I saw who they sent to the line, I had to watch it again just to see what happened to him while his teammate was dumping someone to the deck. Tough situation all around, capped by resuming play from the wrong inbounds spot. But hey, we've all been in similar nightmares with different specifics ... |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk |
Quote:
Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk |
Quote:
|
Quote:
Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk |
Quote:
AR 46 Pg 17 Team A scores with 59.9 seconds left to play in the second half. 2. The official inadvertently blows his whistle to recognize a timeout request by Team A when the ball is at Team B’s disposal for a throw-in: RULING: 2: The inadvertent whistle shall be ignored. When Team A requests a timeout during this dead ball, the timeout shall be recognized and granted since the request occurred during the dead ball created by the inadvertent whistle. Substitutions are permitted during this timeout period. However, when a timeout is not requested, there shall be no substitution during the dead ball period created by the inadvertent whistle. (Rule 3-6.1.h) Here is your initial response I'm not granting the time-out after the IW because I'm not asking the coach if he still wants the time-out. I'm going to say "Inadvertent Whistle" and IMMEDIATELY put the ball back in play. ------ Here's the rule relating to the OP and your original post. The whistle is already dead, why you wouldn't ask the coach if he still wants the TO is beyond me. If the coach says "Hey I want a TO" are you just going to ignore him too? I'm saying you are wrong because IMO it's awful game management. You have already screwed up and stopped play, if the coach want the TO grant it. |
Now to this play. That foul came before the IW for the time-off request. They should have administered the foul and ignored the timeout request. Obviously blue the rule by saying a coach can call a timeout during a live ball other than a throw-in. Being under 1 minute left in the game has nothing to do with the play.
I'm disappointed because the person who blew the whistle for the time out is one of my best friends in the officiating so I'm going to have to ride him about this when I see him again. I work the visiting Tom games. About six or seven years ago he would ended up with T for losing those free throws. His demeanor during game has improved a lot. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk |
Quote:
My game management is to put the ball back immediately in play when we screw up and blow an inadvertent whistle. I do not stand around and conference with my fellow officials or ask coaches what they want. If the coach still wants a timeout then he needs to ask for it again. Sent from my SM-N920P using Tapatalk |
Quote:
|
Quote:
|
I'm with BNR on this one. The request was first of all erroneous. You cannot in this situation as a coach request a timeout. Now that the official erroneously granted the request and we acknowledge the mistake and we move on. Not sure why that is hard to understand. And if the coach is so adamant about the request then he can make that request again and then it should be granted.
Peace |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:05pm. |