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Nevadaref Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:03pm

Identify the fouler
 
5:18 left in the 2nd half of Texas @ West Virginia
Trail appears to whistle a foul when two Texas players collide.

JRutledge Mon Feb 20, 2017 11:49pm

Here you go.

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Peace

AremRed Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:00am

Phenomenal call. #45 white pushes the Texas player into his teammate. May not seem like much but enough to call a foul IMO.

Nevadaref Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:05am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000770)
Phenomenal call. #45 white pushes the Texas player into his teammate. May not seem like much but enough to call a foul IMO.

I've now watched it five times, plus stopping and starting the slo-mo replay in the video. There just isn't a push by W45.

AremRed Tue Feb 21, 2017 12:29am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1000771)
I've now watched it five times, plus stopping and starting the slo-mo replay in the video. There just isn't a push by W45.

Not as obvious a foul as we might prefer, but I can definitely see why the official called it. I would say this is defendable by a supervisor and not as bad as the announcers and WVU coaches think.

Camron Rust Tue Feb 21, 2017 03:44am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000772)
Not as obvious a foul as we might prefer, but I can definitely see why the official called it. I would say this is defendable by a supervisor and not as bad as the announcers and WVU coaches think.

If it were the L making the call, I might accept that. Since it was the T, there is no chance he could have seen such a thing from where he was. He called the collision.

The push that was there was before the ball came off the rim...and that was too far in the past to be what he called.

BigCat Tue Feb 21, 2017 08:26am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 1000776)
If it were the L making the call, I might accept that. Since it was the T, there is no chance he could have seen such a thing from where he was. He called the collision.

The push that was there was before the ball came off the rim...and that was too far in the past to be what he called.

He called the foul on W45. Big heavier fellow. Not the fellow under the basket. W45 has two hands on him in paint. T has a good look at that…but that isn't what sent the defender into the other player. he was going after ball on his own not as result of being pushed.

deecee Tue Feb 21, 2017 09:18am

I don't see a foul worth calling here, and if there was/is one it should have come from the L or maybe the C, not the bailing T who sees 2 players crash and fall (and happen to be on the same team).

frezer11 Tue Feb 21, 2017 09:34am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000770)
Phenomenal call. #45 white pushes the Texas player into his teammate. May not seem like much but enough to call a foul IMO.

I admit I didn't see this push until about the 3rd viewing, but even so, I still think that the push was not what sent that player into his teammate, I think he was going after that rebound and the contact was inevitable

JRutledge Tue Feb 21, 2017 09:44am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000770)
Phenomenal call. #45 white pushes the Texas player into his teammate. May not seem like much but enough to call a foul IMO.

I looked at this a lot closer. What do you think now?

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BryanV21 Tue Feb 21, 2017 09:48am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000783)
I looked at this a lot closer. What do you think now?

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Peace

I'm not one to say the official was wrong, because I can't see things from his angle, but looking at the video I don't see enough for a foul call here.

Rich Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:32am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000783)
I looked at this a lot closer. What do you think now?

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Peace

I think this is one instance of trying to fit a foul called to a situation. I don't see displacement that causes this collision.

AremRed Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:35am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000783)
I looked at this a lot closer. What do you think now?

Slo-mo zoomed in? Not a foul. But it sure looks like a foul in real time because of the players extension of the arms. It's not a terrible miss.

Rich Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:38am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000791)
Slo-mo zoomed in? Not a foul. But it sure looks like a foul in real time because of the players extension of the arms. It's not a terrible miss.

I get why it's missed -- the official saw part of it -- or saw it in his periphery.

Anyone who says they haven't been there, done that, is delusional.

JRutledge Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:49am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000791)
Slo-mo zoomed in? Not a foul. But it sure looks like a foul in real time because of the players extension of the arms. It's not a terrible miss.

I totally agree and think he thought he saw the entire thing. And maybe he did, but we got the benefit of the replay and thinking at the beginning that it was not a foul.

Peace

Camron Rust Tue Feb 21, 2017 02:55pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000778)
He called the foul on W45. Big heavier fellow. Not the fellow under the basket. W45 has two hands on him in paint. T has a good look at that…but that isn't what sent the defender into the other player. he was going after ball on his own not as result of being pushed.

You're right. I thought the call was on the other player.

And as you said, it wan't really a push.

Raymond Tue Feb 21, 2017 03:40pm

I have no problem with the call. Might be a miss, but I can live with that call.

stripes Wed Feb 22, 2017 09:49am

My biggest issue is with the jacka$$ on the end of the bench. Anyone who works with me knows that doesn't fly. you don't have to like calls as an assistant, but you will not act out...

VaTerp Wed Feb 22, 2017 10:54am

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Originally Posted by stripes (Post 1000854)
My biggest issue is with the jacka$$ on the end of the bench. Anyone who works with me knows that doesn't fly. you don't have to like calls as an assistant, but you will not act out...

That jacka$$ used to leave me a six pack every week when I was an undergrad student working as a golf cart attendent at the university golf course he frequented back in the day. So he's A-Ok with me.

I also have very little tolerance for demonstrative or chatty benches. But you have to ignore some of that at times at that level. This would be one of those times IMO.

As for the call I initially thought it was a huge miss and the call was on the defender closest to the basket. After rewatching it I see what the official thinks he saw and can certainly live with it.

stripes Thu Feb 23, 2017 10:05am

He might be a great guy...He still won't act out on the bench.


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