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MechanicGuy Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:40pm

Syracuse @ GaTech - Illegal Screen in final seconds
 
https://twitter.com/tjbasalla/status/833489498948370433

Hoping that Twitter will embed/work here.

And I know..."final seconds" shouldn't matter. And in a perfect world it wouldn't. But this world ain't perfect and things are different late.

That said, thoughts on the call?

Nevadaref Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:43pm

Please don't post links to the twitter accounts of Syracuse guys. ;)

MechanicGuy Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:47pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1000664)
Please don't post links to the twitter accounts of Syracuse guys. ;)

Ha, it's the only link I could find of the play so far. Didn't even realize it was from a whining fan.

crosscountry55 Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:09pm

Great call. 21 knew it, too. He gambled trying to make something happen for his offense…and lost.


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Rich Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:15pm

Good call. If that's a foul in the first half, it's a foul at the end, too.

BillyMac Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:56pm

Let's All Sing Like The Birdies Sing ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 1000662)
Hoping that Twitter will embed/work here.

I can never see these Twitter videos. I always get "The media could not be played". I don't subscribe to Twitter. Is there anything that I can do to see these videos?

JRutledge Sun Feb 19, 2017 11:59pm

Better looking video.
 
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/J7ibWGenLxo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

AremRed Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:10am

Not illegal for me.

JRutledge Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:18am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000682)
Not illegal for me.

I really do not see this foul either. It looks like he gave him at least a step and he was not moving fast. The player also embellished the contact as well. But again, I get the benefit of slow motion. I am sure I have called a foul on this kind of play.

Peace

deecee Mon Feb 20, 2017 07:08am

I don't see a foul. Defender got caught without warning by his team and it looked worse than it was.

RefLarry Mon Feb 20, 2017 08:29am

I do not see a foul on this play. The screener was set. The Ga Tech player ran into the screener.

#olderthanilook Mon Feb 20, 2017 08:32am

One thing is certain, #1 white did a great job of embellishing.

Pantherdreams Mon Feb 20, 2017 08:35am

Difficult to tell how much is him leaning or extending and how much is the sell job by the kid getting screened . . .

That being said if that's a foul late ok. BUT it had better be a foul early and at that level if that a foul on the screen teams just wouldn't be screening because everyone would be fouled ok.

In this part of Rome that a ton better than most balls screens and I don't think we get enough of those bad ones as fouls.

I probably have nothing here based on the view and angle.

crosscountry55 Mon Feb 20, 2017 09:24am

Surprised by the amount of posters who either say this wasn't a foul or should have been passed on.

While I agree that if similar plays were passed on earlier in the game that this probably shouldn't be called, judged by itself, I ask the following:

1. Was the screen in the opponent's visual field, and did the screener give the opponent a normal step backwards?

2. Was the screener's stance shoulder width apart?

Answer these questions honestly and you don't even need to consider whether or not the screener was moving.

It's called an "illegal screen," not a "moving screen."


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JRutledge Mon Feb 20, 2017 09:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1000701)
1. Was the screen in the opponent's visual field, and did the screener give the opponent a normal step backwards?

Yes it was in his field of vision, all he had to do was turn his head. Regardless of this fact, he was given a step and took it and then the contact took place with a stationary screener.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1000701)
2. Was the screener's stance shoulder width apart?

Yes. He did not exaggerate his stance or set up in an unusual way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 1000701)
It's called an "illegal screen," not a "moving screen."

Agreed and if he did not give the proper time and distance, this would be a foul. This in my opinion was not a foul. And even if it was borderline I still would not want a foul called here.

Peace


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