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JRutledge Sun Feb 19, 2017 04:46pm

Women's South Carolina @ Mizzou (Video)
 
Just happened to be watching the game and this was on.

Play #1:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/-qmUfkGsnV0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Play #2:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/0moTW2aZbIE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


Play #3:

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/K7JOgGWpBjg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Peace

BigCat Sun Feb 19, 2017 04:54pm

I can live with the first charge. Offense elbow may have caught defender and contact after also.

2 and 3. Don't like either call.

JRutledge Sun Feb 19, 2017 04:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000634)
I can live with the first charge. Offense elbow may have caught defender and contact after also.

They actually reviewed this play for a Flagrant. One of the reason they kept showing this play from different angles.

Peace

BigCat Sun Feb 19, 2017 05:20pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000635)
They actually reviewed this play for a Flagrant. One of the reason they kept showing this play from different angles.

Peace

Yes. I thought elbow might have caught her. I'd leave it as player control foul.
what they do?

Nevadaref Sun Feb 19, 2017 07:59pm

I believe that all three calls are correct.

BigCat Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1000656)
I believe that all three calls are correct.

I think I'd no call the last two.

Nevadaref Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000660)
I think I'd no call the last two.

I'm of the opinion that the final one must be whistled as it negatively impacts a shooter. Would you allow this amount of contact on a 3-point shooter? The decision should be the same.
Play #1 is a great effort by the defender to obtain position prior to the offensive player going airborne.
Play #2 is close, but I believe correctly judged a PC. This is the only one of the three which I think can be debated.

BigCat Sun Feb 19, 2017 09:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1000663)
I'm of the opinion that the final one must be whistled as it negatively impacts a shooter. Would you allow this amount of contact on a 3-point shooter? The decision should be the same.
Play #1 is a great effort by the defender to obtain position prior to the offensive player going airborne.
Play #2 is close, but I believe correctly judged a PC. This is the only one of the three which I think can be debated.

In 2 defender did what she should but just not enough contact for me. 3, if you call a foul im ok but i still may have held the whistle.

JRutledge Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000637)
Yes. I thought elbow might have caught her. I'd leave it as player control foul.
what they do?

They did not upgrade the call. They kept it a PC foul.

Peace

SNIPERBBB Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:33pm

#3 is an easy call as the defender keeps pushing backwards, you can box out but not push.
Though you could of called the would-be shooter here for her own foul during the rebound as she displaced the player pretty good too.

#olderthanilook Mon Feb 20, 2017 08:44am

1. 50/50...gotta have a block or charge there. I like the official's angle.

2. Great call. Again, right in the L's lap. Great job staying with secondary defender. Big call - that's 2 pf on Mizzou's stud sophomore Sophie Cunningham in the first half.

3. Another good call. That's an easy up and down foul on a perimeter jump shooter. That is not boxing out. It's displacement.

Pantherdreams Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:43am

I am ok with all three calls.

1. That's a tough play but the right call. Not convinced I would have gotten it right and based on the block shot might have passed on it all together as it was so close.

2. Right call but as others have stated could be perceived as soft.

3. She's moving backwards into and under a player shooting the ball. I'm ok with this too. As I mentioned in a previous post in my new league if I don't get this then I would have partner(s) running in to get it for me and talking to me at half.

hamnegger Mon Feb 20, 2017 12:12pm

2 good call rewarding a smart defensive play.
3. excellent call. defender is putting her body into the midsection of shooter and displacing

walt Mon Feb 20, 2017 01:12pm

I like all three calls. Play #3 was the easiest. I like that they went with PC and not flagrant.

frezer11 Mon Feb 20, 2017 01:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by #olderthanilook (Post 1000696)

2. Great call. Again, right in the L's lap. Great job staying with secondary defender. Big call - that's 2 pf on Mizzou's stud sophomore Sophie Cunningham in the first half.

I don't know about "Right in the L's Lap." He looks pretty straightlined to me, and that's what I think leads to an incorrect call. From his POV, I don't think he can gauge the amount of contact. W3 makes a very smart and legal defensive play, but is trying to draw the charge on P3 the whole way (btw, these are the same O and D players as in Play #1). Now there's nothing illegal about the defender falling backwards and embelishing a bit, but there has to be sufficient contact to cause displacement, and I don't think that happens, I think the offensive player pulls up short of significant contact.


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