Good steal? (Video)
 

Coach complained about this play. I want the opinion of the peanut gallery.

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Peace

Foul on the defense as the player received the pass. Defense body's up and pushes with a forearm.

The steal itself seems to be legal if you pass on the initial foul and then some pushing by both players before the ball is stolen.

Nothing at all, play on.

I'm here. More contact happened on the catch. The steal itself later in the play looked like nothing.

I've got nothing.

White 35 fouled the opponent twice. The other defender, #2, who eventually stole the ball did not foul, but his steal was aided by the second foul of his teammate.

I agree. The first one was on the pass where the offensive player was forced towards the division line.

I don't know how anyone can say this was nothing.

35 White fouls the pass receiver near the division line before the play in question occurs. His frustration probably led to him embellishing any illegal contact on the actual steal.

Agree with this 100%. The initial foul at 5:13 on the game clock needs a whistle IMO.

Feel like I'm saying this a lot lately maybe it has to do with my head space adapting between leagues. If the initial contact and result on the catch is not enough to get you a call, then the less severe contact on the reach is not getting you the call just because he's going to lose the footrace.

As other have said I probably have something before this and the reach is non factor.

Posting without looking at other comments first...to avoid confirmation bias.

The first/unsuccessful steal attempt....probably a foul, but at this level of game I'm probably holding my whistle to see how it develops, and since Black was clearly going to track it down....play on.

The second/successful steal is not a foul (and a Hollywood flop by the steal victim). At this point I'm probably thinking, "well crap, now I kinda wish I did get the first one, but it's too late." It is what it is. Coach is not going to be happy and probably said something like "get 'em off!" Oh well....

Now I shall read the other posts.

Follow-Up: I think for the most part this is generally agreed upon. I couldn't see it but I'd like to know where C was looking on the first contact. He's the guy with the best view, an open look, and really nothing else to officiate in his primary. When we finally do see him later, he seems to be looking in the low post and then gets surprised by the steal. Makes me wonder if he was looking in the low post before, too. If so, no one may have had an educated opinion on the first contact.

I hope I hit the whistle when the bump forces the player to go chase down the ball. That's too much to let go for me.

Déjà Vu All Over Again (Yogi Berra) ...
 

Been there. Done that.

I have nothing. Defender got hand in. Offense wasn't forced to division line, imo, it's where the ball went. Both don't look great but I don't see fouls live or slo mo. Now again, I don't know the temp of the game. I don't have a foul in a high level high school game or a college game on this.

(I don't think there was much of a bump on first one at all. ) if there's a foul it might be a slap, grab etc. I just don't see a bump.

I disagree. I'm calling that in a high level HS game. Shrug.

NevadaRef:

I agree with your assessment of the play.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. This is the second thread in the last two days where we have agreed. That is certainly a sign of the apocalypse, :p!

We'll have to agree to disagree. Could be video quality. Or I just can't see.

Denucci agrees with you so u have to be right....:(

Not really.

But if he's going through like that, he'd better be clean. To me, it looks like he bumps him from behind as he goes for the ball.

I know. I shouldn't say that. I'm glad we can agree to disagree.

Several points here.

I was the lead on this play and could not tell you anything about what happen on the first play from my angle. I did get a OK look at the second play, but I felt the player in black embellished any contact which made me not even consider a foul. I was happy when I saw the video that there was not much there.

Now the T was the one to call a foul on this play for the most part. One the first contact I did not see a foul on our angle from the video. I think the defender got to the ball first and the player in black ended up with the ball after a lazy pass. Just from an advantage/disadvantage point of view, this was nothing IMO. I see why others might disagree, but I would need a little more to have a foul or a real chance to lose the ball and neither of those happened.

Finally this was a physical and game with a lot of similar steals where nothing was called. So just from a matching the contact, this was IMO typical of the type of defense being played and players can handle the contact. The teams are both ranked in the area (and I believe in the state) and probably will play each other again. I think that we handled the game overall fine and if that was the worst miss in the game, I am satisfied. I mainly mentioned it because this came up and the coach claimed that was a foul at the time. He did not complain to me, but he did complain to one of my partners. I was fine with the explanation I was given by my partners as well.

Peace

Well said, I have the same analysis as you. CNC on both steal attempts.

J RUT, 1st viewing real time I have nothing. Watched it again and again.....that's nothing down here! Of course I expect the Coach to ask (complain) about the call but that's basketball! :cool: