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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Feb 20, 2017 05:55pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 1000647)
White 35 fouled the opponent twice. The other defender, #2, who eventually stole the ball did not foul, but his steal was aided by the second foul of his teammate.


NevadaRef:

I agree with your assessment of the play.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. This is the second thread in the last two days where we have agreed. That is certainly a sign of the apocalypse, :p!

BigCat Mon Feb 20, 2017 06:07pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1000740)
I disagree. I'm calling that in a high level HS game. Shrug.

We'll have to agree to disagree. Could be video quality. Or I just can't see.

Denucci agrees with you so u have to be right....:(

Rich Mon Feb 20, 2017 06:15pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000745)
We'll have to agree to disagree. Could be video quality. Or I just can't see.

Denucci agrees with you so u have to be right....:(

Not really.

But if he's going through like that, he'd better be clean. To me, it looks like he bumps him from behind as he goes for the ball.

BigCat Mon Feb 20, 2017 06:18pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1000746)
Not really.

But if he's going through like that, he'd better be clean. To me, it looks like he bumps him from behind as he goes for the ball.

I know. I shouldn't say that. I'm glad we can agree to disagree.

JRutledge Mon Feb 20, 2017 08:05pm

Several points here.

I was the lead on this play and could not tell you anything about what happen on the first play from my angle. I did get a OK look at the second play, but I felt the player in black embellished any contact which made me not even consider a foul. I was happy when I saw the video that there was not much there.

Now the T was the one to call a foul on this play for the most part. One the first contact I did not see a foul on our angle from the video. I think the defender got to the ball first and the player in black ended up with the ball after a lazy pass. Just from an advantage/disadvantage point of view, this was nothing IMO. I see why others might disagree, but I would need a little more to have a foul or a real chance to lose the ball and neither of those happened.

Finally this was a physical and game with a lot of similar steals where nothing was called. So just from a matching the contact, this was IMO typical of the type of defense being played and players can handle the contact. The teams are both ranked in the area (and I believe in the state) and probably will play each other again. I think that we handled the game overall fine and if that was the worst miss in the game, I am satisfied. I mainly mentioned it because this came up and the coach claimed that was a foul at the time. He did not complain to me, but he did complain to one of my partners. I was fine with the explanation I was given by my partners as well.

Peace

AremRed Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:08pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000754)
Several points here.

I was the lead on this play and could not tell you anything about what happen on the first play from my angle. I did get a OK look at the second play, but I felt the player in black embellished any contact which made me not even consider a foul. I was happy when I saw the video that there was not much there.

Now the T was the one to call a foul on this play for the most part. One the first contact I did not see a foul on our angle from the video. I think the defender got to the ball first and the player in black ended up with the ball after a lazy pass. Just from an advantage/disadvantage point of view, this was nothing IMO. I see why others might disagree, but I would need a little more to have a foul or a real chance to lose the ball and neither of those happened.

Finally this was a physical and game with a lot of similar steals where nothing was called. So just from a matching the contact, this was IMO typical of the type of defense being played and players can handle the contact. The teams are both ranked in the area (and I believe in the state) and probably will play each other again. I think that we handled the game overall fine and if that was the worst miss in the game, I am satisfied. I mainly mentioned it because this came up and the coach claimed that was a foul at the time. He did not complain to me, but he did complain to one of my partners. I was fine with the explanation I was given by my partners as well.

Well said, I have the same analysis as you. CNC on both steal attempts.

Da Official Wed Feb 22, 2017 05:06pm

J RUT, 1st viewing real time I have nothing. Watched it again and again.....that's nothing down here! Of course I expect the Coach to ask (complain) about the call but that's basketball! :cool:


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