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deecee Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:07am

Referee pushes parent
 
Referee Pushes Parent During High School Basketball Game | Bleacher Report

Man the parents are stupid. The father came on the court after the game was called because the AD got tossed, a fan threw a bottle on the court and the ref pushed the father, and it's the refs fault. Shame.

IAUMP Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:18am

While the parent should not have been on the court confronting the official, there is no excuse for the official to shove the parent. That is what game management is for. So I would have to agree that it is the officials fault.

bob jenkins Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:31am

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Originally Posted by IAUMP (Post 1000273)
While the parent should not have been on the court confronting the official, there is no excuse for the official to shove the parent. That is what game management is for. So I would have to agree that it is the officials fault.

The AD had already been ejected -- there was probably not much "game management" left.

And, I'd like to know more about the incident that led to the shove.

(Note -- I did not watch the accompanying video -- maybe it's covered in there.)

deecee Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:39am

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Originally Posted by IAUMP (Post 1000273)
While the parent should not have been on the court confronting the official, there is no excuse for the official to shove the parent. That is what game management is for. So I would have to agree that it is the officials fault.

Tsk, tsk. There is an excuse for the official to shove the parent. Don't come on the court, don't confront the officials, don't expect that your behavior is ok and that being confrontational will always end in rainbows and unicorns.

You would take a pummeling from a parent with the "hope" that game management would pull him/her off you?

frezer11 Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:58am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1000275)
Tsk, tsk. There is an excuse for the official to shove the parent. Don't come on the court, don't confront the officials, don't expect that your behavior is ok and that being confrontational will always end in rainbows and unicorns.

You would take a pummeling from a parent with the "hope" that game management would pull him/her off you?

Pummeling from a parent? Not sure there's any evidence of that. This thing got out of hand because the person in charge or game management got tossed, and apparently no other adult would step up, but that doesn't provide an excuse for anyone (official, coach, fan, whoever) to shove and potentially start a brawl. Call the game when you realize its out of hand beyond control and get off the court, but don't make matters worse.

BryanV21 Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:04am

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 1000275)
Tsk, tsk. There is an excuse for the official to shove the parent. Don't come on the court, don't confront the officials, don't expect that your behavior is ok and that being confrontational will always end in rainbows and unicorns.

You would take a pummeling from a parent with the "hope" that game management would pull him/her off you?

What "pummeling"? That parent didn't shove the official first. Are you assuming the parent was going to start throwing punches?

Every adult involved in this altercation should be ashamed, along with facing the appropriate punishment. And you may say "we don't know what was said", but if words set you off like they did this official then you're as much the problem as anybody or anything.

Furthermore, I hope they investigate things and find out just how this game got out of hand. And make sure it doesn't happen again.

Robmoz Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:14am

Well here are some facts from the game....

The PA announcer was instructed to refrain from giving play by play during live play by the R, yet continued to do so. Site admin was summoned (the AD) and he initially refused to correct the problem until the R refused to resume play. The AD then runs to the table, picks up the mic and slams it down on the table while yelling disparaging remarks towards the R. The AD is then ejected from the gym. This occurred during a very rough 2Qtr after 14 fouls had been called and one player fouled out before halftime.

The crowd was verbally hostile after every call against the home team and accused the officials of cheating with chants and vulgar comments ...[there were 63 fouls called in the contest (32/31)]. Debris was being thrown onto the court, there was no site staff taking action so the officials suspended the game with 1:13 remaining in the game.

When the R reported this to the HC's, the PA Announcer (not just some random parent) jumps up from the scorer's table and makes a run at R to confront him. The R defends himself with a two-handed chest shove (no punches), the PA guy is restrained backwards with arms wide as if his actions were innocent and he was claiming the official attacked him (clearly not the case though).

At that point all hell breaks loose and the benches and bleachers spill out onto the floor as the officials make a bee line for their locker room.

BryanV21 Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:24am

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Originally Posted by Robmoz (Post 1000279)
Well here are some facts from the game....

The PA announcer was instructed to refrain from giving play by play during live play by the R, yet continued to do so. Site admin was summoned (the AD) and he initially refused to correct the problem until the R refused to resume play. The AD then runs to the table, picks up the mic and slams it down on the table while yelling disparaging remarks towards the R. The AD is then ejected from the gym. This occurred during a very rough 2Qtr after 14 fouls had been called and one player fouled out before halftime.

The crowd was verbally hostile after every call against the home team and accused the officials of cheating with chants and vulgar comments ...[there were 63 fouls called in the contest (32/31)]. Debris was being thrown onto the court, there was no site staff taking action so the officials suspended the game with 1:13 remaining in the game.

When the R reported this to the HC's, the PA Announcer (not just some random parent) jumps up from the scorer's table and makes a run at R to confront him. The R defends himself with a two-handed chest shove (no punches), the PA guy is restrained backwards with arms wide as if his actions were innocent and he was claiming the official attacked him (clearly not the case though).

At that point all hell breaks loose and the benches and bleachers spill out onto the floor as the officials make a bee line for their locker room.

Thanks for filling us in on more facts of the game.

Sounds like a whole lot of "fail" by the school.

Rich Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:29am

That person is on the court -- a place where he doesn't belong.

I don't blame the official for shoving the person who was where he did not belong -- he created separation.

Why isn't anyone asking why the guy is trespassing on the court?

Robmoz Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:30am

BTW, this was an experienced, well-respected crew. Also, both head coaches are known for their passion, competitive spirit, and at times over-the-top behavior towards officials.

IMO, this is all the result of site admins failing to address unsporting behavior in the stands, a big lack of security or inadequate staffing for the event, and a total loss of perspective of their mission for HS sports.

Robmoz Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:34am

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 1000276)
Pummeling from a parent? Not sure there's any evidence of that. This thing got out of hand because the person in charge or game management got tossed, and apparently no other adult would step up, but that doesn't provide an excuse for anyone (official, coach, fan, whoever) to shove and potentially start a brawl. Call the game when you realize its out of hand beyond control and get off the court, but don't make matters worse.

The official has a right to defend himself and doesn't have to wait for a "first punch" to be thrown. You need to understand that we have precedent here in Detroit of officials being attacked and KILLED as a result of such senseless actions! He didn't have the chance to even finish informing the coaches of the decision to end the game before he was confronted....things can escalate very quickly. Luckily no one was seriously injured on this one.

JRutledge Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:39am

I saw a man approach another man that is backing up and he pushed him away. Now if you are innocent, then do not get into my face as I am backing away from you inicially. And without exact words I have no idea what was said. The "parent" is trying to act innocent when he never backed away until the official pushed him.

Look at the end of the day I am a grown man. You come at me in a certain way, I will protect myself. Now it might be in another way, but I am still protecting myself. Just because I have stripes on does not mean I am taking an azz whoopin because I am in a position. Sorry, not how it works.

Peace

BigCat Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:39am

Of course the news article makes official look bad. You can see though the guy was part of the table and in the second video he follows the official onto the floor and walks into him. Table guy could have gotten much worse than a shove. Long way from an innocent parent….. School failed in many ways.

let them call their own if they want to have a circus.

Rich Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:56am

That Bleacher Report idiot needs to learn what journalism actually is.

BigCat Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:09am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1000293)
That Bleacher Report idiot needs to learn what journalism actually is.

The school administrator in the news report is also a clown. "official having a bad day…."

Adam Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:30am

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000288)
I saw a man approach another man that is backing up and he pushed him away. Now if you are innocent, then do not get into my face as I am backing away from you inicially. And without exact words I have no idea what was said. The "parent" is trying to act innocent when he never backed away until the official pushed him.

Look at the end of the day I am a grown man. You come at me in a certain way, I will protect myself. Now it might be in another way, but I am still protecting myself. Just because I have stripes on does not mean I am taking an azz whoopin because I am in a position. Sorry, not how it works.

Peace

This.

I'm very good at diffusing volatile situations, but if I feel threatened you can bet your ass I'm not going to just let you take the first punch.

People think it's ok to lose their freaking minds because of a damned game.

deecee Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:35am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 1000284)
That person is on the court -- a place where he doesn't belong.

I don't blame the official for shoving the person who was where he did not belong -- he created separation.

Why isn't anyone asking why the guy is trespassing on the court?

Because to many on here are to damn apologetic for other people sh!tty behavior?

#olderthanilook Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:44am

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Originally Posted by robmoz (Post 1000286)
btw, this was an experienced, well-respected crew. Also, both head coaches are known for their passion, competitive spirit, and at times over-the-top behavior towards officials.

Imo, this is all the result of site admins failing to address unsporting behavior in the stands, a big lack of security or inadequate staffing for the event, and a total loss of perspective of their mission for hs sports.

+1

#olderthanilook Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:29am

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000297)
The school administrator in the news report is also a clown. "official having a bad day…."

Ya, I've watched the video twice now. Her comment was ridiculous. The first thing out of her mouth was about the official. The first thing out of her mouth should have been words expressing an apology for letting a parent leave his seat, enter the playing court and approach an official. Those three mistakes occurred before the official took any actions. Unreal.

Welpe Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:59pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000297)
The school administrator in the news report is also a clown. "official having a bad day…."

Officials are easy punching bags for all of sporting's ills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 1000288)
Look at the end of the day I am a grown man. You come at me in a certain way, I will protect myself. Now it might be in another way, but I am still protecting myself. Just because I have stripes on does not mean I am taking an azz whoopin because I am in a position. Sorry, not how it works.

Yep. I am still a person and have a family to take care of.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robmoz (Post 1000279)
Well here are some facts from the game....

The PA announcer was instructed to refrain from giving play by play during live play by the R, yet continued to do so. Site admin was summoned (the AD) and he initially refused to correct the problem until the R refused to resume play. The AD then runs to the table, picks up the mic and slams it down on the table while yelling disparaging remarks towards the R.


At this point I think I'd be filing a suspended game report with my assigner and the league due to lack of adequate game management present. They can figure out the rest of this after the section has had a talking to with the school.

Now hopefully somebody will be able to open up the locker room for us to get our stuff. :rolleyes:

Da Official Wed Feb 15, 2017 01:04pm

I've heard that statistics show that the person who sucker punches wins the fight 90% of the time.......with that said PERSONAL SPACE is VERY IMPORTANT!!! If you walk on the court towards an official in an aggressive manner on top of the fact you aren't supposed to be on the court in the 1st place then you set yourself up for whatever comes next......

#olderthanilook Wed Feb 15, 2017 01:19pm

If you mess with a bull, there's a chance you'll get the horns.

LRZ Wed Feb 15, 2017 02:19pm

As a criminal defense lawyer for many years, I will only offer this observation, based on my experience: all too often, after an altercation, the guy on the ground is the victim and the guy still standing becomes the defendant. Self-defense is a defense to criminal charges, not necessarily a bar to being charged in the first place.

riverfalls57 Wed Feb 15, 2017 04:50pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 1000297)
The school administrator in the news report is also a clown. "official having a bad day…."

It is a bad day when you have to call 63 fouls.

BigCat Wed Feb 15, 2017 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by riverfalls57 (Post 1000369)
It is a bad day when you have to call 63 fouls.

I agree..but some days..that's the job.It irritates hell out of me when home school knows who their idiots are and won't calm them down. They make me do it to be bad guy in front of all. They don't want to offend their fans.so much for the sportsmanship thing.

Blindolbat Wed Feb 15, 2017 08:42pm

If there is no game management, should the game have been called right then? Or, how exactly should you go about getting new game management?
This seems like one of those things that is mandatory to have in place at all times.

ODog Wed Feb 15, 2017 09:04pm

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Originally Posted by Robmoz (Post 1000279)
Well here are some facts from the game....

When the R reported this to the HC's, the PA Announcer (not just some random parent) jumps up from the scorer's table and makes a run at R to confront him. The R defends himself with a two-handed chest shove (no punches), the PA guy is restrained backwards with arms wide as if his actions were innocent and he was claiming the official attacked him (clearly not the case though).

At that point all hell breaks loose and the benches and bleachers spill out onto the floor as the officials make a bee line for their locker room.

I'm not disputing any of your facts, Rob (and I thoroughly enjoy the perspective since it seems like you're from the area and have an inside source), and maybe we're not even referring to the same person, but ...

... after watching it a few times and looking for this idiot, it sure looks to me like the "parent" who confronts the official and is subsequently shoved in the open floor is not anyone who was ever seated at the scorer's table or performing any PA duties. In the third-quarter free-throw footage, you can plainly see him sitting at the end of the home bench, kind of like a fake assistant coach.

I'm not sure if this makes the whole situation slightly better or slightly worse. Is it better/worse that he was actual bench personnel rather than a fan from the stands? I honestly don't have an answer.

Robmoz Thu Feb 16, 2017 07:56am

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Originally Posted by ODog (Post 1000381)
I'm not disputing any of your facts, Rob (and I thoroughly enjoy the perspective since it seems like you're from the area and have an inside source), and maybe we're not even referring to the same person, but ...

... after watching it a few times and looking for this idiot, it sure looks to me like the "parent" who confronts the official and is subsequently shoved in the open floor is not anyone who was ever seated at the scorer's table or performing any PA duties. In the third-quarter free-throw footage, you can plainly see him sitting at the end of the home bench, kind of like a fake assistant coach.

I'm not sure if this makes the whole situation slightly better or slightly worse. Is it better/worse that he was actual bench personnel rather than a fan from the stands? I honestly don't have an answer.


Freeze it at the 0:28 mark and you can see the guy at the table. After the mic was removed he left the table to sit on the bench for some parts of the 3Qtr...just saying, he may be a parent, too. I know that he is not on the coaching staff.

AremRed Thu Feb 16, 2017 08:32am

I messaged the reporter from the story, he gave a BS boilerplate response: "I hear you, but what I reported is what the superintendent said, the first person to get physical was the referee".

Yeah dumbass, the whole story is what the superintendent who probably wasn't at the game said.

Rich Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:25am

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 1000393)
I messaged the reporter from the story, he gave a BS boilerplate response: "I hear you, but what I reported is what the superintendent said, the first person to get physical was the referee".

Yeah dumbass, the whole story is what the superintendent who probably wasn't at the game said.

Ask him if he interviewed the referee. Bet it never crossed his mind.

Not that the referee would probably respond, but I bet the reporter never even tried.

BigT Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robmoz (Post 1000279)
Well here are some facts from the game....

The PA announcer was instructed to refrain from giving play by play during live play by the R, yet continued to do so. Site admin was summoned (the AD) and he initially refused to correct the problem until the R refused to resume play. The AD then runs to the table, picks up the mic and slams it down on the table while yelling disparaging remarks towards the R. The AD is then ejected from the gym. This occurred during a very rough 2Qtr after 14 fouls had been called and one player fouled out before halftime.

The crowd was verbally hostile after every call against the home team and accused the officials of cheating with chants and vulgar comments ...[there were 63 fouls called in the contest (32/31)]. Debris was being thrown onto the court, there was no site staff taking action so the officials suspended the game with 1:13 remaining in the game.

When the R reported this to the HC's, the PA Announcer (not just some random parent) jumps up from the scorer's table and makes a run at R to confront him. The R defends himself with a two-handed chest shove (no punches), the PA guy is restrained backwards with arms wide as if his actions were innocent and he was claiming the official attacked him (clearly not the case though).

At that point all hell breaks loose and the benches and bleachers spill out onto the floor as the officials make a bee line for their locker room.

Thanks for coming here and telling us the rest of the story. Seems like a lot more happened then what a short video shows.

Once the AD was thrown I would have told the home coach he needs to have the gym cleared and once it does come get the visiting team and my crew and we will continue the game. Tell the visiting team hit your locker room we will come out when things are cleared out. No reason to work in these conditions.

BigCat Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:47am

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 1000399)
Thanks for coming here and telling us the rest of the story. Seems like a lot more happened then what a short video shows.

Once the AD was thrown I would have told the home coach he needs to have the gym cleared and once it does come get the visiting team and my crew and we will continue the game. Tell the visiting team hit your locker room we will come out when things are cleared out. No reason to work in these conditions.

I think you'd be better of just leaving than saying this…I don't have any idea what I "would have done" and hope I don't ever have to find out...

Stat-Man Thu Feb 16, 2017 04:56pm

Here is an archive copy of the article that appeared in today's Detroit Free Press.

Quote:

An MHSAA report by the referees who worked the game was obtained by the Free Press.
http://archive.is/zIZdo

AremRed Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:33pm

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Originally Posted by Stat-Man (Post 1000439)
Here is an archive copy of the article that appeared in today's Detroit Free Press.

http://archive.is/zIZdo

That's MUCH more fair and balanced reporting than the report the news channel put out. Unfortunately more people probably saw the news report.


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