IW on a made FT.
 

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Peace

Looks like he wishes he would've been a bit more patient on that.

Works for me.

it is foul
 

Re-bounder in the air!

Pushed from behind "with both hands" not hard, but hard enough to take the re-bounder for an airborne flight from one side of the basket to the other.

Rich, both hands, Automatic?

Is it a ball handler? No.

That answers your question, too.

The foul was before the ball went through the basket. Should have counted the basket and assessed the foul. (Well, should have had a more patient whistle, but given that he didn't ....)

Good IW declaration. Been there, done that. Every once in a while you make such an impatient or nonsensical call that not even your dog would believe you when you explained it to him.

So....he did the right thing. Told the coach, "I completely gooned that up, my bad, free throw was good and POI is a throw-in to B."

And life went on. Good result.

What do you suppose he would have decided to do if the FT was missed?

I think its easy if it's missed, I think the only reason he rescinded the foul was because he realized it was a no-impact call on the game when it goes through. If it misses, he's got a foul. Simple.

it looks like he doesn't count the FT. Did I miss something?

Look at the score at the start and end of the clip . . .

Maybe. VA's score went from 44 to 45, at least on the televised score.

What makes you think he didn't count it?

Ya you are right. I was looking at the other teams score doh!

He was calling a foul, so nothing on the situation would have take away the basket, unless he had a foul before the shot was attempted (on the offense). He must clearly be heard saying what he was doing as it appears his partner went over to make it clear to count the basket. I do not trust TV people to know what is even going on most of the time.

Peace

I agree with this. Valentine failing to follow the rules.

What rule says he can't declare his whistle inadvertent?

Probably his emphatic waving before the camera cuts away.

I guarantee TV's supervisor didn't want a whistle on that play.

He should have held his hand up and moved his wrist back and forth. He just picked up his flag. I tease my football friends because they get to change their mind.

I'm fine with what TV did. He's done it long enough for all to know he does what he thinks is right. Right or wrong...(as opposed to being influenced by one side or the other). We pass on things all the time. He blew his whistle and realized game didn't need that call. I don't recommend doing it to often or younger guys doing it but I'm fine with what he did.

Football officials actually rarely change their minds anymore than basketball officials change calls. Very rare. But unlike basketball, we have more people that have jurisdiction over things and helps give information that actually get the call right, like if the ball crossed the expanded neutral zone. No more than officials change an out of bounds call or even change a violation like a BC violation. ;)

Peace

Yes, I know they pick it up to get it right. They have more people to help get call right. I know I've made basketball calls and wish there was a gap for discussion and more ability to change call.

Are football rules more or less complicated than basketball? I like high school football but never studied rules.

Football is a rules sport. Basketball is a judgment sport. It is really that simple.

Peace

I played basketball and baseball...coached forever. Started refereeing/umpiring as a kid and really didn't read the books. Made it through just on experience of playing.

Didn't play football but have watched fair amount. Been asked to get licensed. I suppose with the number of other zebras on a crew they'd get me through it. Wouldn't like going out though without knowing all rules.

Basketball rules and case book can be tough read. Wondering how football compares. Maybe this should be moved to football thread....BUT basketball referees ought to be able to say every now and then "I've changed my mind.no foul."

Football has many more rules and variations of the rules. Often discussions are more about trying to give information to get the call right. As well the play is often over so a decision has to be made. I am a Referee (or White hat) and I have to get information, not trying to change anything. I know on my crew it is rare that we even change a call other than when the rules allow like multiple fouls on the same team. One foul usually is going to hurt worse and you cannot always take both of them. And when you factor in the over 200 or so differences from college to high school, that can be difficult to keep everything straight when you have the participants often thinking what is legal of what they see on TV, applies to their level. The controversial Fenwick-Plainfield North situation as a glowing example of this during this past year.

Peace