NFHS questionnaire

BillyMac

OKREF wrote
This

Thank you.

Are there any states that do not use the coaching box?

frezer11

crosscountry55 wrote
Agree, but I'm with Rich in that this should be a state-by-state adoption, formally endorsed by NFHS as an option.

Isn't it already? The fact that some states use it and some states don't, doesn't that mean that it already is a state-by-state adoption?

UNIgiantslayers

jTheUmp wrote
Regarding a shot clock... NO. No need. I haven't specifically kept track, but from what I can remember in my games this year, there's only been a handful of possessions, maybe 5 total, where we would've had a 30-second shot-clock violation. Most high school kids aren't patient enough to have an entire possession last 30 seconds, even when they should be trying to delay.

Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Adam

frezer11 wrote
Isn't it already? The fact that some states use it and some states don't, doesn't that mean that it already is a state-by-state adoption?

Not endorsed as an option. In fact, states that use it forfeit their seats on the rules committee.

frezer11

UNIgiantslayers wrote
Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

I've had 25-25 scores for teams that were trying to score!! I am surprised about the OT tactic though, it seems to me that any time a team is trying to stall, they inevitably turn it over if the possession is longer than about 45 seconds or so.

Jesse James

UNIgiantslayers wrote
Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Most likely Team B was just as responsible because they played passive defense.

jamesshank

zm1283 wrote
I don't want a shot clock. Aside from the cost, getting someone to run it reliably would be a disaster.

I'm not sure I could handle games without a shot clock, I've had them in the past and they are sllllooooowwww.

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jamesshank

SC Official wrote
Please please please NFHS...

1) Implement or at least allow two-handed reporting.
2) Let the players roll their damn shorts and wear the fancy headbands.
3) Expand the coaching box to 28 feet.
4) Get rid of the seatbelt rule.

I know I'm dreaming.

I agree with most except they should shrink the coaching box[emoji12]

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Adam

jamesshank wrote
I'm not sure I could handle games without a shot clock, I've had them in the past and they are sllllooooowwww.

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The numbers don't bear this out. The 25-25 games are a rarity, and most games keep a reasonable pace. I personally wouldn't mind the NFHS making it a valid option, but I'd vote against it in my state if given the chance. It's a solution in search of a problem.

jTheUmp

UNIgiantslayers wrote
Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

Hell, my game tonight was 17-10 at halftime, and ended with a final score in the neighborhood of 38-30. And they were trying to score, it was just a defensive struggle (I think there were at least 15 blocked shots).

There was a boys state final here a few years ago that went to something like 4 overtimes, and in each overtime the team that won the toss held the ball for the first 3:50 of the overtime period. And this was a game between two of the largest schools in the state.

Even with that, I still don't think we need a shot clock.

SC Official

crosscountry55 wrote
Good luck collecting the $300 fine.

Not really sure what you mean by this. The SCHSL has its flaws, but fine collection is not one of them. Any coach or AD with half a brain is well aware of this penalty.

crosscountry55

SC Official wrote
Not really sure what you mean by this. The SCHSL has its flaws, but fine collection is not one of them. Any coach or AD with half a brain is well aware of this penalty.

I was talking about the guy who got suspended and then resigned. Did they really maintain jurisdiction over him after he left so that they could collect?

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bob jenkins

UNIgiantslayers wrote
Heard about a game that was 25-25 at end of regulation. Team A, who was responsible for this ridiculousness, got the tip and held it the entire OT for one last shot. They missed it.

jTheUmp wrote
There was a boys state final here a few years ago that went to something like 4 overtimes, and in each overtime the team that won the toss held the ball for the first 3:50 of the overtime period.

Solution:

The rules already allow the coaches, by agreement with the Referee (in Varsity games) to shorten the length of a quarter.

So, when one team is holding, and the other is playing back, the coaches negotiate a shorter quarter (say :30), the R agrees, the timer sets the clock and re-starts it.

UNIgiantslayers

bob jenkins wrote
Solution:

The rules already allow the coaches, by agreement with the Referee (in Varsity games) to shorten the length of a quarter.

So, when one team is holding, and the other is playing back, the coaches negotiate a shorter quarter (say :30), the R agrees, the timer sets the clock and re-starts it.

That should have happened. There's no reason for everyone to stand around with their hands in their pocket for 3:50.

Kansas Ref

What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

UNIgiantslayers

Kansas Ref wrote
What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

Better hourly pay?

Kansas Ref

UNIgiantslayers wrote
Better hourly pay?

*ahhh OK, you're right, I should've thought of that before I posted my Q!

bob jenkins

Kansas Ref wrote
What is the incentive for coaches to agree on reducing the time in the quarter?

they don't like standing around for 3.5 minutes any more than we do.

frezer11

In all seriousness, what is the process for this? Can the coaches yell at each other during a live ball, "Hey, want to just go with 2:00 minutes?" Or does this have to be brought to our attention during a quarter break, or official time out, or what? I imagine this is rare enough that I don't need to worry about it, but just curious-

bob jenkins

frezer11 wrote
In all seriousness, what is the process for this? Can the coaches yell at each other during a live ball, "Hey, want to just go with 2:00 minutes?" Or does this have to be brought to our attention during a quarter break, or official time out, or what? I imagine this is rare enough that I don't need to worry about it, but just curious-

There is no procedure for this. I was proposing one (without, I admit, many of the details.)

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