Cathartic Release
 

Look I get it. Officiating is hard. It's difficult to make split second decisions and to be right on each throughout a whole game.

My players practice all year long. We do travel ball. We prepare. It's frustrating when the officials of a given game let so many clear violations by opponents slide and then make calls against us.

It happens every game. I start off the games giving the benefit of the doubt and by the 2nd quarter, I'm often steaming.

What I've chosen to do this year is just compile a video of some of these and it's certainly been cathartic.

I'd like to share it with you in the hopes that you can see the frustration these calls cause the teams, coaches, parents, fans.

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Ah I see the other shoe has dropped. What are you using to record? The sound quality of your incessant complaining is really quite good.

This is idiotic.

OK ... I got through the first 5 and saw one actual violation ...

I find it amazing that this vast, cross-country mass of referees have somehow consistently only made mistakes against you, but none for you, and only neglect to call fouls on the other team, never letting anything go for your team.

What do we think is more likely ... that hundreds of different referees have all made bad calls only in one direction, across hundreds of games? Or that the perception of the person who is making that claim might be somehow biased?

I know where I lean.

Especially given the 9 or 10 posts so far complaining about a call that ended up being universally deemed to have been correct by all of the unbiased officials on this board.

Nice flop on that screen.

"She threw her to the ground!"

LO-freaking-L.

Is that the ever present "assistant with a big mouth" we all know and love saying that? She'd get whacked quickly if I was working.

I also love the spin move your player tries where she obviously travels. Is that your point there, too? They missed her travel?

And there's the screen your player set where she was run into and she went to the ground. You do know that contact on a legal screen can be severe and not a foul, right?\

I can't watch any more of this. Maybe if the basketball was better.

You're in the wrong place, dude. And you need to buy yourself a clue, too.

I might watch all of these later, but I just saw the first few.

First, you're getting a T pretty quickly if I'm working. That's why I don't work much travel ball anymore.

On the first play, you're really starting this off by complaining about that free throw? Yes, that's technically a violation, but the reason it's not called is because no one wants us watching that closely for a violation there when we have rebounding action to watch. Don't get hung up on that. And if you're whining about us not calling this, we're tuning you out very very early. You'll be lucky if we hear you request timeout. We're not ignoring you on purpose, but allowing you to do your thing without it affecting us.

Those carries are marginal at best. Most of us aren't watching them that closely, especially on the plays where there's no immediate defender. You're majoring in the minors.

On the spin move, there's no way for us to tell, or for you to tell, when she actually gathered (held) that ball. Was it a missed travel? Maybe, but this camera angle doesn't make it clear.

I quit watching after that. Feel free to post individual plays and ask questions, you've been getting a lot of feedback from very experienced officials.

Moderator note: I think we'll let this run for a while.

Damned right we will. I haven't been this entertained in a while. I'm willing to bet the percentage of incorrect calls in this video is under 50.

My random sampling ... closer to 20%

Welcome to girls basketball. It is that simple to me. Because in many boys games we would not hear that complaining. :D

Peace

A few missed calls - but not as many as you may think! Why are you acting like you were on top of each of these calls in real time...? These seem like voice-overs.
But I'll play along: If you're this good and caught all these "missed calls" in real time? Why don't you show some bravery and put on the stripes? Come help us make the game safe, fair and an educational experience with sportsmanship for young people?
There are tons of basketball fans, lots of basketball parents, a great number of basketball players and several basketball coaches; but only a few have the courage to get out there, adjudicate the game and take the heat from the bias of the gym on any given night...
Go ahead and get frustrate during pregame, don't wait till the 2nd quarter - we don't really care!

I watched many of your plays and there's plenty there that i dont like as a fellow referee. Having said that, you are not going to get APG, Badnewsref, and JRut at that level as your referees. It's just a fact that they are not going to be as good. You say you "understand" refereeing is hard. I will tell you that unless you have done it, you dont understand.

I've done it 30 years, played high level, coached high level, coached low level, referee high level. Fan will say "didnt you see that?" I'll say "yep." Why didnt you call it? I say you will never understand until you do it. Sometimes the whistle just doesnt blow. I tell people id be the best referee on the planet if i could sit in the 10th row and call the game.

I think most fans go wrong because they think we really care about who wins there travel league or high school basketball game. 99% of officials could give a rats ass who wins. We just want a smooth game. The officials at your level just may not be that good. Why is that? Pay is low. They are asked to do multiple games. They try hard but make mistakes and idiot parents scream and yell. (Idiot parents are ruining youth sports by the way...that is another thread)

What i tell people and coaches is that i am part of your game. I AM GOING to SCREW UP. I hope i dont but i know i will. You know i will. You just have to be better to win.

Finally, somebody is doing something right because I see mistakes being made and i dont see players retaliating bitching and moaning. I only hear parents...which goes back to my point that parents are ruining youth sports. The doors should be locked with kids, coaches and referees only at some levels. Be much better game.

And the so called "carry" situations I saw, not a chance. I did not see a single move to the basket or to get the defender to move. Not happening at any high level of basketball and not even clear the ball came to rest. That would be a JH call to make in those situations. I could not stomach the rest honestly.

Peace

Some ...
 

Agree. It's called advantage/disadvantage, and despite what some on the Forum say, advantage/disadvantage does apply to some violations. Now, if she uses that move and goes by a defender, then I will probably have a whistle on the play.

If he "caught" all of these, then he's making 4x as many wrong calls as the 20% on here that are ACTUAL bad calls. Most of what he's complaining about are not actual violations.

This. Any official making calls on all these plays is going to have a short and illustrious travel league career.

To the OP- you say you get it but every thread you start suggests otherwise. You do not seem to have a good grasp of basketball fundamentals and little understanding of officiating IMO.

You say you play year around and prepare yet I still see plenty of poor play. Just like many officials do this year around and prepare and still will make some poor calls. Because we are all human.

I would echo pretty much everything Big Cat said. You are not going to get the highest quality officials around for mediocre girls travel and even HS ball. That's just the way it is.

I actually watched this whole video as I'm very early for a game. 9 minutes of my life I will never get back. 2 things I saw worth minimal discussion.

Around the 4:20 mark is an obvious taunt that the officials should not have missed. And there are several examples of dribblers trying to split defenders that were properly no called per rule 10-7-7.

Other than that I mostly see/hear trivial complaints about marginal plays that are not conclusive even on slo-mo replay.

At this level of play as a parent or coach you have A Lot to work on in improving skill level and should really worry A Lot less about the officiating.

I think we should go through the video and count all the bad plays run by your team which would indicate bad coaching. I'm sure there's more of those than of the good plays they ran. :cool:

The free throw violation needs to be called. It's obvious and crew looks like idiots not calling it. Trail needs to help referee. First time girl turns ball over I try to say something to her to be careful. It's also obvious. If she dribbled ball and caught it with two hands and dribbled again we'd all call it regardless of ad v disadvantage. It is that bad. The spin move may be a foul but if no foul ball is OB on white. Good call. The sideline play is OB on blue but ball given to them. That's a tough call. Happens quick. The guy isn't nuts in reviewing the plays.

He's a fan/parent and will never understand until he referees. There are wrong calls in the video. They are going to happen. If you are willing to pay Jeff, APG and badnews you might be happier.

Thank you for this assessment. Could you please comment on the play that starts at 2:26? Blue 12 switches her pivot foot three times before releasing the ball for the dribble and then extends her elbow into White 22's chest while driving by.

There is no travel call and instead a blocking call is made against #22?

Your missing my point. I'll look at it but I will trust you in what you say. Wrong call made. Until u put the whistle in your mouth you will never ever understand. We don't care who wins your game. There will be mistakes in my game, APG and Ed Hightower's. It's just a fact. The lower u go the more mistakes.

Your team just has to be better.

You're calling that FT violation? ok.

And there's no way I'm even addressing that "carry" in my games. The thing is, the quality officials at the high school level aren't making those calls in my area. So these "missed calls" have nothing to do with officiating quality.

Well, that's not true. That FT violation is a gotcha call around here, and in a travel game if I hear the coach make the comment I heard on the video, he's either getting shut down or tuned out very quickly.

As MD Longhorn put it, this isn't happening to him because hundreds of officials are getting it wrong. If it's happening to him every game, he might want to figure out if his own filters are set too high for this stuff.

These are not travel games. Not sure why that keeps being brought up. These are games from this season. It's not hundreds of games and it's not hundreds of officials. Our girls do train year round and do participate in travel ball, but each of these clips is from this school season.

You have to do what you have to do. The FT shooter is half way in the paint before ball at rim. Gotcha call? Not even close. Your toe touches line is a gotcha call. Again, obvious violation. It's not an advan v disad call. It's a blatant violation. As a crew, u look like idiots if this happens. Now, I know it does happen to good crews. It still isn't something I should pass on.

(APG is right about slo mo. id like to see it in fast speed before saying how obvious it is)--the Carries

And again, when there not called it doesn't mean someone is cheating. It's the quality of official or their philosophy as you see in this thread. Nobody really cares who wins that game. Again, until you pick up the whistle you just can't understand.

I watched the whole thing. I saw several refs who need to hustle more and call a better game. But to say your team is getting screwed by refs is ludicrous. Why didn't you show any plays of refs missing calls that went against other team? From your assessment of the refs, there should be some. The only play I thought was egregiously missed was the taunt. Gotta see that. Other than that, it's mostly just a coach who doesn't know the rules, proven by your precious posts, bitching about refs. What else is new?

Here's your advice on how to solve this:
www.nfhs.com, buy a rule book, actually read it and the case book.
Stop looking at plays through jaded eyes of a coach and be an unbiased arbiter and you would realize most of what you think these guys are missing is just not there.

I watched the video with the audio off so I did not hear the complaining.

My advice would be to understand that all officials miss calls every game and that it should all balance out in the end.

I saw a couple times where players set screens and fell to the floor on contact that I do not consider excessive. It didn't appear to me that they were falling to the floor for any purpose other than to draw a foul. They are taking themselves out of the play by falling to the floor and are not likely to draw many fouls when setting screens.

You should understand that you cannot expect officials to get every call right. Every time a player falls to the floor in hopes of drawing a foul, they are taking a risk (A) they will draw the foul, (B) they will be called for a foul, or (C) there will be no call and they will be on the floor while a basketball game is being played. What they do affects the outcome, but they are forcing the official to decide the outcome. It is a risk, but you shouldn't be surprised when you don't get the desired outcome. Your team can play in such a way that they are less dependent on the officials.

I have also coached my children's teams with officials who I know and have worked with. Call the official "R" and say that he is a man, but the same could be said of almost anyone I consider to be a good official. I watch R in a varsity game and think he is a good official. I work with R in a varsity game and think he is a good official. I watch R in a rec game and think he is a good official. I work with R in a rec game and think he is a good official. Then, I have a rec game where I am the coach and I see R miss a lot of plays. The first couple times, I thought R just had a bad game as I know that R isn't cheating against me as he is friendly the next time I see him. I realized that the problem is that I see plays a lot differently as a coach because a coach has a rooting interest. A lot differently. As a coach, I want R to call every marginal play in my team's favor.

As an official, it helps me to realize that the coaches see things from a biased perspective.

The one at the beginning of the video?

Every time. I agree -- we look dumb if we don't.

Till she uses that carry, I'm not really bothered by it.

0:03 INC FT shooter violation
0:15 CNC carry
0:21 CNC carry
0:29 CNC carry
0:41 CNC travel, INC shooting foul, IC OOB direction
1:06 IC OOB direction (via slo-mo I have CC)
1:40 CNC push through screen
2:02 INC contact on airborne shooter
2:27 INC travel, IC foul
2:54 CNC foul
3:16 IC foul
3:44 IC foul
4:13 INC foul, CC OOB direction, INC taunt
4:47 CNC blocked shot, CC OOB direction
5:12 INC foul
5:33 IC OOB direction
6:06 CNC pushing through screener
6:24 CNC splitting two defenders
6:38 CNC on marginal block/charge
6:53 CNC marginal contact on arm after ball gone, IC OOB direction
7:13 CNC marginal contact after made layup
7:40 CNC held ball, CNC marginal contact on steal
7:49 INC held ball
7:59 CNC carry
8:26 INC foul
9:00 CC foul, defender never had legal position
9:46 CNC carry

19 correct, 16 incorrect, 54% CC percentage on these tough plays.

Girls basketball is ugly. A couple of these could go either way based on how tight/loose the game is being called. Reply back if you want specifics on any of the plays.

Which violations does it apply to?

Looks like you grabbed a handful of "bad" calls that went against you from a handful of games. Actually, i think only about 1/2 are wrong, maybe less. The stands are often not the best angle. Go through your videos and find some "bad" calls that went in your favor and post that. It will give you more credibility.

I agree with many of the members. About 20 percent of these you may have a point. 2 things-

1) As has already been stated, you need to know the level of officials you are going to get in your games. Not much you can do about that except teach your players that the only thing they can control in the game, heck in life even, is their attitude and their effort. I coach and officiate (different sports) and this is the one thing I have to constantly remind high school students.

2) I heard this concept when I first started doing higher level ball and thus getting into video review. If you have to look at a video more than once or slow it down to see a violation or foul, consider the ruling on the court correct. Granted we can always break things down further and get better for the future but in a game most of us don't have the luxury of seeing something more than once or to ask the replay operator to slow down the video. If you see a mistake in real time the first time, then I would ask the calling (or non-calling) official what they saw and why they had that opinion on the play. You aren't going to change their mind.

This is asinine. The level of basketball is bad to begin with which just makes everyone look bad. I've been part of games like these and no matter what you do you can't come out of it smelling like anything but sh*t. You aren't going to get D1 officials at this level, it is what it is. They missed some, they got some right, and some were really inconclusive on video. One thing is for sure. The people in the stands are morons. Get over it.

I only watched the first 5-6 plays. After you were wrong on about half of them, I stopped watching. Not worth the time.

Grab a whistle and some stripes, get on the floor, and call your perfect game. We'll watch......and not say a thing.

Why TF are you expecting us to explain someone else's judgment?

What experience level are you expecting from men and women who officiate girls basketball played at that talent level? How much are these officials getting paid? How much training do they get from entity assigning these games?

Where is the film of parents who complain about their child's playing time? Where is the video of parents complaining about your coaching decisions? Do you let parents come into your venue and constantly complain about what you're doing? Where are the videos of referees making bad calls in your favor? Where is a video of you apologizing for the bad coaching decision you made?

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I like how #4 (your daughter?) just plays the game and doesn't concern herself with the officials. You and those two jackwagon parents in the video could learn a thing or two from her.

Violations ...
 

Ten seconds on free throw. Maybe three seconds in the lane.

Nothing involving a boundary.

THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE RULES
The restrictions which the rules place upon the players are intended to create a
balance of play ... is important to know the intent and purpose of a rule so that
it may be intelligently applied in each play situation. A player or a team should
not be permitted an advantage which is not intended by a rule. Neither should
play be permitted to develop which may lead to placing a player at a disadvantage
not intended by a rule.

Are there incorrect calls and incorrect no calls in this video? Sure....

But I'll say that the convenient timing of some of the slow mo used just shows how slow mo can distort and make a real time decision appear worse than it actually is. If one wants to make an apparent no call on a carry appear worse than it really it...one just goes to slow motion at the apparent time of the carry. Look at how long it came to "rest" here. Totally ignoring the fact that 30-40 feet away from the basket with absolutely no pressure...no one really wants that called except for the time when EVERYONE...even his own coach...is calling for the call. You'll have a defensive coach maybe bring that up but...that's more him trying to get an extra possession.

I can already hear it...but APG....advantage/disadvantage doesn't apply to violations! We already do this with certain violations in certain situations....for instance...3 seconds and 10 seconds on the FT shooter. As much as we make this a science (which as a whole is a good thing)...there's still some art of this.

I'll also echo the sentiment...that a lot of factors go into what type of ball an official will work...and this will itself...effect the caliber of officials one will get for a game. For a lot of officials the quality presented in this clip is not "worth" it...especially for the pay.

I get it....coaching/playing/supporting your team is hard. It's difficult to stay objective when you've invested so much physically/fiscally/emotional and to try and win every single game.

I'm constantly trying to better myself. I work games all year long. I go to camps. I break down film. I get together with like minded officials. It's just frustrating when you're constantly being yelled at and downgraded by players/coaches/fans. It's especially frustrating when maybe one call goes for their team but then something goes against them they are all up in arms.

It happens every game. I start off the game giving all participants the benefit of the doubt and by the halfway mark of the 1st quarter...I find myself having to especially ignore everyone in the stands.

I'd add some travels and carries. Maybe a swinging elbow. Going out of bounds on a baseline cut. Some hitting the ball with a fist.

yes, it was a travel. No it was not an "extends her elbow into white 22's chest."

I would add that you should see how the other coaches in the conference feel about the officiating and raise the concerns to the association.

when you play road games that are assigned by a different group, is the officiating different / noticeably better?

So you are that guy? The guy that lives through his kids and thinks his kid is the next WNBA star in the making. Dreams of college being paid for because you can't save the money yourself.

Based on the video, some of the missed calls are bad, some of them had little to no effect on the game. Why call all of them and stop the game and ruin flow when you don't have to? You whine a LOT!!!!!!!

The team in white isn't that good anyway, regardless of your traveling, yearlong practicing, and hours of preparation. Do you really want the refs to call every little thing in girls games? If you do, you will be there all night long. You are whining way too much and, if it hasn't happened yet, I'm betting you get tossed at some point.

I think instead of traveling a lot and practicing all year, you should take some time off and become an official. Then, put together a tape of your best and worst calls. We would love to see that.

Not very good basketball at all. After all, it's a girls game and that's what you get on a nightly basis.

I guess maybe the "carry" while crossing half court or in the frontcourt with token defensive pressure needs to be called every time so that the length of a girls game can approach 2 hours?

When is the video of calls that benefitted your team coming?

Others have commented on it but the quality of the basketball is not super high. As a result:

- You don't get top officials.

- The officials you do get are spending more time deciding what to call or not call to give the game flow and not take 3 hours. Rather than calling what is happening

- The tactics/habits/skills habits being employed on both sides are creating chaotic environment which again leads to more of these situations for less than top officials trying to manage and create game flow.


In related news nothing you ask of us, get as a response from us, or say to officials before, during, after a game they've officiated is going to change any of what you are seeing. Things that will change it. Level/quality of play in games (higher quality skills and games will not only have less of these situations to manage you will get better officials). If you wanted to officiate and get involved in a local board or association maybe from the inside you could see things differently or at least understand the rationale behind what you are seeing. If you still thought change needed to be affected you could climb the ranks and actually get change affected.

You can't sum it up any better!

Girls games are hard enough to get flow and decent play. I'm not calling every little thing in a girls game.

On a side note, you aren't going to get the best referees when this is the level of basketball being played. Lower level refs will miss some stuff. Get used to it dad!!!!!!

That was probably the worst missed call on the video. Otherwise, lots of marginal "missed" call to good no calls.

I would add travel and carrying the ball as well.

Wow man nice work.

I think for me the slow motion threw me off. I see she was deep in when it went through, but I'd rather see it at real speed before saying for sure whether I'd get it.

Actually the missed taunting at around the 4:20 mark by black 25 might be the worst missed call.

I would like to say I never work games like this, but I did recently and I'd hate to have a video done of our game, although I can tell you that I hustled from T to L and L to T and C to C a lot more than these guys did. That's just called professionalism.

But in the game I'm thinking of, I probably called 7-10 travels myself and eventually I edited my filter on those so I wouldn't call one on every last trip. I didn't favor one team over the other. If you pull one of those out of the game film and show it in isolation, it probably shows that I am a horrible official. Oh, well.

Do I think that some hustle and attentiveness would make these crews better? Yes, I do. But it's not going to make the level of play better. I'm not from the area of the OP and in our area we have far better teams and some teams that are worse and some at the same caliber as this. And let me tell you -- I've had some games where the quality of play has me feeling that I'm the best official in the world and some where NBA officials would look terrible. This kind of basketball leans towards the latter.

That and the free throw line violation at the beginning are the 2 biggest misses.

Some of my favorite officials are those who have coached and now referee. You would think they would call too much or nothing. They actually have a great balance and patience with coaching.

All you have to do is buy two fox 40s and have you, assistants, players take turn refereeing for 4 minute half quarters. Your kids will learn how to let the referees do their job. You will learn how hard it is to decide what to stop play for. This will lead you to getting into the book and understand what we are taught for calling plays. This will lead to better discussions with your officials on asking kindly to watch 24 getting her hand under the ball and how that confuses your defender and why she runs into her.

I cant agree more that this is not great ball. With the shortage of officials the better ones are going to be working the higher skill games.

And you are telling us that these officials only had these questionable calls against you and never for you. Send us the entire film. Go through and see how many calls/no calls helped you.

Most important thing you can learn coach is your teams abilities and how they preform are 90% plus affecting you winning or losing. Play the perfect game. Hit 100% of your shots, etc then expect your referees to get 100% of their calls correct. Have you even watched college games. Do you not see them miss a massive 4 step travel after being paid thousands of $ for the nights game. Every level mistakes are made and they get them right. Yet every coach in the world who hasnt refereed is all over them.

All it takes is a little time some off season games. Do just a few and quit. You will learn so much that can help your team.

I for one appreciate you bringing the video. It just supports us that we do a good job and loses are never ever our fault. Wish more people understood.

Thanks for the gems brought up by the above referees. This forums is awesome!

Agreed. I went ahead to look at the missed shooting foul at the 2:02 mark (or so), and that was clearly missed because the lead got beat, badly, down the court. He got beat by about 8 girls, so there were at least 4 players between him and the contact on the opposite side of the lane. T wasn't in a position to help on that contact, either. Is that because he didn't hustle? I don't know for sure, to be honest, but it sure looks like it.

Another thought on the quality of officials in these games. You're going to get a mix of new officials, veterans looking to shake some rust off (or make some extra cash) in the off season, and perpetual travel league refs.

For the most part, you're going to get what you pay for. What you pay also includes the grief you're giving them. I quit working this sort of basketball for two reasons.

1. The pay for those games around here is atrocious. When they start paying a reasonable fee that actually compensates me for my time and not just my travel expenses, I'll consider it.

2. Parents and coaches are horrible. Let's just say their expectations of the officials far exceeds the quality of coaching and play. Many of those games wouldn't be worth the headache at 4 times the pay.

2:02 is sad. L doesn't hustle and the C isn't even in the picture. That's a great transition foul for C to get if he's hustling down the floor.

So, see, coach, we're willing to call out our own when we see something that warrants it.

Lesson learned in all of this, don't come to an officials forum, complaining about all of the missed calls you have compiled.

:D

I believe these are actually HS varsity games, BTW. I know it may not seem like it, but...who else hires 3-official crews?

I was working a girls JV game last night and had a set of fans that were very similar to the chief complainer in this video. Lots of very similar comments such as "That's a travel. Everyone knows that's a travel."

The thing is, I probably passed on one or two real travels all night. The rest? The players were still dribbling or weren't holding the ball. Lo siento Chuck but those aren't travels, carries or anything else.

A fan being loud doesn't make him right. It makes him obnoxious.

Do you know what my thought process was the whole night? Let me give you a hint, it wasn't "Oh these fans may be on to something. I ought to really consider if I'm missing travel calls."

I really hope I never sound like that when my daughters are playing sports. And if I do, I hope a fellow official slaps some sense into me and asks me what I'm doing. But then, there's a reason I tend to hide from the other spectators.

Pretty much.

The response is a lot milder than I expected to be honest. I miss Jurassic, he would have known just what to say in this thread. :)

Pretty entertaining replies! :D

The bottom line for this dad and others is: If the officiating sucks (in your opinion) then understand the teams playing are probably not that good and the better officials in the area are out calling the better games. On the flip side parents and coaches still complain about the better officials.....so welcome to this thankless profession. It is what it is. :rolleyes:

In some places (like many of my conferences I work) the officials are hired 18 months to 2 years in advance with dates and locations. Means I get some great games and some horrible games.

Truthfully, I need the great games to get through games like these. If I worked games like this every night, I'd retire.

You don't want "better" officials. They would have most of the players fouled out for the crappy defense and you would most likely have received 2 T's because they aren't going to deal with your childish behavior.

You should be happy they find enough officials to work the games.

100% I agree completely and that's my sentiment too.

A similar thing happened to me last week... apparently a fan in the stands had learned the term "displacement" from somewhere, so the entire night he was yelling "she's displacing her" in various permutations.

As for the video... some plays were incorrectly called, some were correctly called, some could've gone either way. It happens. If I ever have a game where I get every call perfect, I'll retire.

The OP needs to get some stripes and get on the court. You will learn very quickly how much of a difference the angles you have on the court are much different than from your seat in the bleachers.

The main thing is, just chill out and enjoy watching your kid play. She will be out of HS soon and you will miss it terribly.

And trust me, not one of those officials gives a damn who wins or loses those games.

I want him or any other official to start calling all of that stuff and see how far it gets them. Because you will have many complain that you are calling the game and making it about you. So I would love those "carry" calls to be made in a higher level game and see how long you stop working that level. Even at the Freshman level that would be laughed off the court.

Peace

As it turns out, this thread is cathartic to officials.

:D

There certainly things here though that should be looked at just mechanic wise and we can do better. I work with a veteran official that is near the end and we get in trouble on these types of games where his mechanics go away. Don't think its hard to stop the clock on every whistle and body language thats poor makes us an easy target.

Correct! Forgot about that one. That video made me dumber by watching it. Maybe it was the idiotic commentary!

Reffing bad basketball is tough. I did happen to catch the score where the OP's team was up 33-9 and still complaining about a no call. I would bet money that the officials called 30+ fouls and 15+ violations in that game.

I have been in blow outs where the "minimum" was called (still 30+ fouls and 15+ violations) and I am okay with this as long as the game was fair; meaning the level of contact and what is being called a violation was consistent for both teams.

There are a couple of no calls in this video that would have met my minimum threshold and I would be embarrassed to see video of me not getting it or getting it wrong; whether it be from me not hustling, not focusing on what I should be, or just deciding "why bother". This does not excuse the OP though, the video is in very poor taste.

In the flood of replies, I completely missed this. I think we made the assumption after you'd mentioned the travel stuff in original post. Not that we (I) thought it through too far, but it's not really relevant if these aren't travel league games. Most varsity level players around in my metro area are playing basketball all year long.

I still stand by my points, I'll just change the number to dozens.

I'll add that I've never had a high school coach (varsity, JV, or freshman) ever complain about a missed FT violation. Not to the point where he'd include it in a video proving how bad the officials are. That probably added to my assumptions.

Well, that one is pretty bad. I would've waved off the shot and started to the other end by the time the ball reached the basket.

Last night, I had a JuCo coach who was up by 20 complain to my partner that an opponent shooter was crossed the line to quickly (not as blatantly as the one in this video) on a free throw where I was the C. So the next time that player was on the line I walked up to him and told him to remember to not to step in too quickly.

In my current association, we are assigned very randomly... you might see an official who worked the State tourney last year doing a game like I had last night... GV--at end of 1st quarter 40-2.

Why are you here? Go away. Go to the coaches forum to bitch about officials. Your sideline antics wouldn't last with me. You'd have to get the tape to see how it finished. I for one am done responding to any post of yours.

Utter nonsense
 

This post is utter nonsense. A highly selective compilation of plays of what you say is poor officiating.

On the one where a screen was set and was run over. Maybe you ought to read the case book.

Take a look at the rules

Rule 1 All fans are idiots
Rule 1.1 if there any doubts about fans being idiots refer to Rule 1

ahhh yes, what can i say here that has not already been said?...hmmm

man, the Internet is a rough place! lol
seriously tho...
throughout the video, i would agree that there could be a few teaching clips from this video, but until you put the whistle in your mouth and remove any and all emotion from the situation, you just won't understand why some of these are not fouls/violations.
my buddy coaches. he will send me clips. instead i tell him, if you want my opinion...send me the entire game. that way there is a better feel for consistency and flow. two other points that are similar to his situation and yours and have been mentioned already but worth repeating...given the class, schools, matchup, teams, etc....you don't always get the "A crew" every night. and a lot of times, guys have to cut their teeth somewhere. and a lot of times, even the skill level can make the "A crew" look like the worst crew.

on some plays, i do feel your pain and applaud your quest for knowledge rather than just being ignorant about it. explanations have been given and you're quick to accept those FWIW. go for the obvious ones tho... the judgement ones are just that. in a game about angles, sometimes your camera position isn't the best angle.
i will say tho, in a couple clips...there could be just a little more hustle to get into a better position to see the play.

i skimmed a bit, but i don't know if someone mentioned this...
in this video (and others of yours) i've seen #4 attempt to dribble thru multiple defenders many, many times. in this case, if there is less than 3 feet of space between the defenders, the responsibility of contact is on the ball handler. you'll rarely see an offensive foul here, but you definitely will not see a defensive foul call in situations like those.

hey, i understand your frustration...and i'll use your video posts as learning tools for myself. but on here, you might be better off posting in the form of "you make the call" OR "should this be a BC violation?" OR "do you have anything on this play?" rather than a compilation of complaints...and honestly, while obviously a violation, there's no use posting a clip of a girl stepping over the foul line 3 seconds before the ball hits the rim. for whatever reason, that crew ate that one and it looked bad.

good luck. God speed. knowledge is power. i gotta go ref.

That first clip is distorted because of the slow motion on the FT violation. I'll retract my comments that I probably wouldn't call it, but before committing one way or the other I'd like to see the video without the speed distortion.

Its not that distorted. FWIW, she is at the volleyball line in the middle of the lane before the ball enters the rim. That's a clear violation.