Saddest T I ever gave

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The first horn announcement, in my opinion, is among the stupidest things we do. If they didn't hear/ignored the horn itself, how likely are they to hear/respond to the call and whistle from the official? I'm not gonna stick my head in the huddle and beg. We should put the ball on the floor more often than we do.

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the absolute success of the process here. It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down. They knew it was coming, and usually I hear a fan behind me, "He's counting!"

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'd agree with you if it weren't for the absolute success of the process here. It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down. They knew it was coming, and usually I hear a fan behind me, "He's counting!"

It's like anything -- if the coaches don't believe you'll use ROP or that you'll give it to the other team before they're ready, what do they have to lose by ignoring the horns? But once the coaches believe that ROP will actually be used, it becomes unnecessary as they don't want to take a chance.

Has anyone seen a designed ROP play? I could see a coach putting together a plan in the expectation that the other team wouldn't really be ready for an orchestrated act rather than a panic driven throw in . . .

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

It wasn't my idea, and I don't disagree that it shouldn't be necessary, but getting teams out of a huddle is rarely an issue now. And when it is, there's never any complaining when the ball gets put down.

Only discussion I had about it this year: The defense was the one late getting out so the other team scored an unmolested layup. The coach is a former official and a friend of mine. He called me over at the end of the quarter.

"You know, coming out of the timeout, somebody is supposed to come to the huddle and notify us."

"Which we did."

(pause) "Oh, I guess I was talking."

"Yep"

"Oh, okay" (sheepish look)