Should I have whacked this coach?

[packersowner]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The other night during a game, while I was the center and standing in front of a team's bench, the coach said to one of his players "don't foul the second time, they'll see that. They didn't see the first foul, but they will see the second."

Which led to the following exchange...

Me: (without turning to look at the coach) "Coach, don't do that."
Coach: "Do what?"
Me: "Say something like that right in front of me."
Coach: "I can say what I want to my players."
Me: "Not right in front of me you can't."

This ended things because the ball was stolen and went on a fast break the other way.

I don't care whether the coach is yelling or talking in a normal tone of voice. I'm just as concerned about WHAT they say as I am in HOW they say it.

Were you working with me last night? Almost the same exact conversation, only it went like this:

Coach: Why did you see there, I thought she got all ball? (politely asked)
Me: I didn't see her hand on the ball, but I did see her whack her arm.
Coach: Really?
Me: Thats why I had coach
Coach: Well halftime we can go watch the film if you want to.
Me: Coach, don't do that. We had a good conversation up until that point.
Coach: Dont do what?
Me: Really? (seem appropriate given his earlier comment)

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by packersowner

Were you working with me last night? Almost the same exact conversation, only it went like this:

Coach: Why did you see there, I thought she got all ball? (politely asked)
Me: I didn't see her hand on the ball, but I did see her whack her arm.
Coach: Really?
Me: Thats why I had coach
Coach: Well halftime we can go watch the film if you want to.
Me: Coach, don't do that. We had a good conversation up until that point.
Coach: Dont do what?
Me: Really? (seem appropriate given his earlier comment)

I don't really think this or Bryans is bad. Tell him to bring the popcorn. I don't think it warrants a "coach don't do that." Makes you sound wound tight. Just my opinion.

[kelvinsmerli]

You KNEW you should have. All you have is next time. Was HE ARGUING calls??? He proved you should have as HIS behavior escalated and YOU still didn't. Be as Good As Your Next Game.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The other night during a game, while I was the center and standing in front of a team's bench, the coach said to one of his players "don't foul the second time, they'll see that. They didn't see the first foul, but they will see the second."

Which led to the following exchange...

Me: (without turning to look at the coach) "Coach, don't do that."
Coach: "Do what?"
Me: "Say something like that right in front of me."
Coach: "I can say what I want to my players."
Me: "Not right in front of me you can't."

This ended things because the ball was stolen and went on a fast break the other way.

I don't care whether the coach is yelling or talking in a normal tone of voice. I'm just as concerned about WHAT they say as I am in HOW they say it.

Sounds to me like you were over sensitive on this. It's no secret that refs miss calls and when they do, and the victim often get caught retaliating. Unless there was more context to this, I don't see this as a coach criticizing so much as getting his player to play smarter. As a coach, I might say something very much like this to a player, even if I didn't think thevref missed a foul -- I would want to change the player's behavior, and to do that it doesn't matter whether the first foul was a foul or not if the player feels it was.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Sounds to me like you were over sensitive on this. It's no secret that refs miss calls and when they do, and the victim often get caught retaliating. Unless there was more context to this, I don't see this as a coach criticizing so much as getting his player to play smarter. As a coach, I might say something very much like this to a player, even if I didn't think thevref missed a foul -- I would want to change the player's behavior, and to do that it doesn't matter whether the first foul was a foul or not if the player feels it was.

Nothing the coach said crossed any line. Bryan should've not even acknowledged it.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Sounds to me like you were over sensitive on this. It's no secret that refs miss calls and when they do, and the victim often get caught retaliating. Unless there was more context to this, I don't see this as a coach criticizing so much as getting his player to play smarter. As a coach, I might say something very much like this to a player, even if I didn't think thevref missed a foul -- I would want to change the player's behavior, and to do that it doesn't matter whether the first foul was a foul or not if the player feels it was.

In and of itself.. No, it's not a problem.

But 1) he'd been complaining about not calling illegal screens where neither myself, my partners, or the guy evaluating us, saw even one. And 2) it was clearly a way to complain yet again to me about not getting a call. Passive-aggressive crap if you will. And that type of thing is unnecessary.

It's no different IMO than a coach flat-out looking at you and saying "that was a bad call." Maybe not t-worthy, but not something I'm going to ignore either.

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[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

In and of itself.. No, it's not a problem.

But 1) he'd been complaining about not calling illegal screens where neither myself, my partners, or the guy evaluating us, saw even one. And 2) it was clearly a way to complain yet again to me about not getting a call. Passive-aggressive crap if you will. And that type of thing is unnecessary.

It's no different IMO than a coach flat-out looking at you and saying "that was a bad call." Maybe not t-worthy, but not something I'm going to ignore either.

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You should. Answer questions, not statements.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Rich

You should. Answer questions, not statements.

The more I think about it the more I think you're right. I should have let it go. I just didn't like how he did it while literally standing right next to me. Seemed like a real BS move.

But we're supposed to be the bigger men, so...

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The more I think about it the more I think you're right. I should have let it go. I just didn't like how he did it while literally standing right next to me. Seemed like a real BS move.

But we're supposed to be the bigger men, so...

He said it for your benefit, of course.

I've come to realize it doesn't matter. During games, I carry a whistle, he doesn't.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The other night during a game, while I was the center and standing in front of a team's bench, the coach said to one of his players "don't foul the second time, they'll see that. They didn't see the first foul, but they will see the second."

Which led to the following exchange...

Me: (without turning to look at the coach) "Coach, don't do that."
Coach: "Do what?"
Me: "Say something like that right in front of me."
Coach: "I can say what I want to my players."
Me: "Not right in front of me you can't."

This ended things because the ball was stolen and went on a fast break the other way.

I don't care whether the coach is yelling or talking in a normal tone of voice. I'm just as concerned about WHAT they say as I am in HOW they say it.

I'd completely ignore this comment. Even if it was said for your benefit, it's a valid coaching point.

Originally Posted by packersowner

Were you working with me last night? Almost the same exact conversation, only it went like this:

Coach: Why did you see there, I thought she got all ball? (politely asked)
Me: I didn't see her hand on the ball, but I did see her whack her arm.
Coach: Really?
Me: Thats why I had coach
Coach: Well halftime we can go watch the film if you want to.
Me: Coach, don't do that. We had a good conversation up until that point.
Coach: Dont do what?
Me: Really? (seem appropriate given his earlier comment)

I would have probably done the same thing. Alternative response, "Watch all the tape you want, coach, just don't bring it up in this game."

[Rich]

Coach: I'll send you the film.

Official: Will you include an apology?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by UNIgiantslayers

I haven't been able to let this go since last night...

Didn't read the rest. You probably should have.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

A few centuries ago, I was working with a guy who, during a timeout, got yelled at by a coach about the difference in team fouls. The coach yelled something like, "How come we have so many fouls and they hardly have any?" He was obviously ticked off.

My partner answered, "Because their team hardly commits any fouls and your team commits a lot. I'm sure it's the coaching - or lack thereof."

The coach pretty much shut up after that.

A couple of decades ago during a summer league game, the foul total in the first half was: Red: 16, and White: 4. The Red Coach was, obviously, not happy about the officiating. The Red Coach in a not too happy tone of voice asked me what he should tell his players about the foul totals, to which I immediately answered: "Don't foul!"

MTD, Sr.