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OKREF Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:57am

Test Question
 
If a Team B member dunks during the pregame warm-up, alternating-possession control is established when free thrower A1 is handed the ball.

Only question I missed. Any thoughts?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:13am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 996244)
If a Team B member dunks during the pregame warm-up, alternating-possession control is established when free thrower A1 is handed the ball.

Only question I missed. Any thoughts?

You must have answered "True."

The book is clear on when the AP arrow is set -- and it's only when the ball *could remain live* after the action.

Rich Wed Jan 04, 2017 11:41am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 996245)
You must have answered "True."

The book is clear on when the AP arrow is set -- and it's only when the ball *could remain live* after the action.

Right. What if there's a subsequent technical foul after that thrower is "handed" the ball?

(What, is this the late 1980s? Since when do we hand the ball to a free thrower?)

BigCat Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 996244)
If a Team B member dunks during the pregame warm-up, alternating-possession control is established when free thrower A1 is handed the ball.

Only question I missed. Any thoughts?

Arrow is set toward opponent basket when you place ball at disposal of the thrower in AFTER the FTs.

BigT Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:30pm

If the defense kicks that AP throw in doesn't it negate the switching of the arrow?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 04, 2017 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by BigT (Post 996256)
If the defense kicks that AP throw in doesn't it negate the switching of the arrow?

What AP throw in? What switch?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 04, 2017 01:19pm

One only needs to remember three things to set the AP Arrow:

1) The most common way to set the AP Arrow is when a Player gains PC of the Ball after the Jump Ball to start the 1st QT (NFHS and NCAA Women's) or 1st Half (NCAA Men's) or any OT Period.

2) The Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Shooter for a Common Foul when the Bonus FT is in effect.

3) At this point the Rules Books (NFHS, NCAA Men's, NCAA Women's) define the three situations that require the AP Arrow to be set when the Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Thrower. In other words, for any situation not covered by the two situations for which I have stated above.

But there is an extremely rare situation which is not covered in the rules, and it is a situation I have never seen happen in the 46 years that I have been officiating. And of course there is a box of fine Cuban cigars (fat chance I am going to give away one Cuban cigar let alone a whole box, :D) awaiting the person that can tell us what the one extremely rare situation is.

MTD, Sr.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 04, 2017 01:45pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 996264)
One only needs to remember three things to set the AP Arrow:

1) The most common way to set the AP Arrow is when a Player gains PC of the Ball after the Jump Ball to start the 1st QT (NFHS and NCAA Women's) or 1st Half (NCAA Men's) or any OT Period.

2) The Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Shooter for a Common Foul when the Bonus FT is in effect.

3) At this point the Rules Books (NFHS, NCAA Men's, NCAA Women's) define the three situations that require the AP Arrow to be set when the Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Thrower. In other words, for any situation not covered by the two situations for which I have stated above.

But there is an extremely rare situation which is not covered in the rules, and it is a situation I have never seen happen in the 46 years that I have been officiating. And of course there is a box of fine Cuban cigars (fat chance I am going to give away one Cuban cigar let alone a whole box, :D) awaiting the person that can tell us what the one extremely rare situation is.

MTD, Sr.

IW during the jump ball? (Just a guess -- I don't have the NFHS books handy)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 04, 2017 01:53pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 996268)
IW during the jump ball? (Just a guess -- I don't have the NFHS books handy)


Bob:

I never thought of that situation but it was not the situation I was thinking of. But now I have two situations which are not covered by the rules.

I will wait until tonight and see if I get any correct answers and then I will post a hint.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. I may have to really send you one for your correct answer after Andy's (our younger son) wedding in August. Mark, Jr., is his best man and has already picked out very good cigars for the father of the bride, the groomsmen, and me.

BigCat Wed Jan 04, 2017 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 996264)
One only needs to remember three things to set the AP Arrow:

1) The most common way to set the AP Arrow is when a Player gains PC of the Ball after the Jump Ball to start the 1st QT (NFHS and NCAA Women's) or 1st Half (NCAA Men's) or any OT Period.

2) The Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Shooter for a Common Foul when the Bonus FT is in effect.

3) At this point the Rules Books (NFHS, NCAA Men's, NCAA Women's) define the three situations that require the AP Arrow to be set when the Ball is placed at the Disposal of the Thrower. In other words, for any situation not covered by the two situations for which I have stated above.

But there is an extremely rare situation which is not covered in the rules, and it is a situation I have never seen happen in the 46 years that I have been officiating. And of course there is a box of fine Cuban cigars (fat chance I am going to give away one Cuban cigar let alone a whole box, :D) awaiting the person that can tell us what the one extremely rare situation is.

MTD, Sr.

Not sure I'm understanding the question but if the ball is tipped and two players catch at same time or knock out of bounds, they rejump. If double foul occurs after jump ends but before any possession those players jump. Arrow set after control following second jump. Probably not what your looking for. Rules cover it.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Wed Jan 04, 2017 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by BigCat (Post 996272)
Not sure I'm understanding the question but if the ball is tipped and two players catch at same time or knock out of bounds, they rejump. If double foul occurs after jump ends but before any possession those players jump. Arrow set after control following second jump. Probably not what your looking for. Rules cover it.

BigCat:

Sorry, but no cigar.

MTD, Sr.

BigCat Wed Jan 04, 2017 02:43pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 996273)
BigCat:

Sorry, but no cigar.

MTD, Sr.

Well, I don't smoke anyway so I didn't want to be right.:mad:

SNIPERBBB Wed Jan 04, 2017 04:12pm

Surely your not talking about a violation during a jump?

BillyMac Wed Jan 04, 2017 04:56pm

I'm Gonna Party Like It's Nineteen Ninety-Nine (Prince) ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich (Post 996247)
What, is this the late 1980s? Since when do we hand the ball to a free thrower?

It's not as long ago as you think. I believe the mechanic changed around 1999-2000.

Rich Wed Jan 04, 2017 05:09pm

You know, I think you're right. I saw film from 1998 and they were still handing on the first FT.


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