Being sure of getting your offender and shooter
What mental and or physical method do you use to be sure that you get the correct player:
A) who committed the foul, B) who was fouled - the shooter? And how do you communicate that info to your partner or partners? Thanks |
I look to my partner and point to the shooter while saying the player's number.
"25 is the shooter." A for the player that committed the foul I have no tricks. Lol, sorry Sent from my SM-G925V using Tapatalk |
My routine:
Tweet Fist in the air Close-down on the play if necessary (as C or T, rarely if I'm the L) "White 31, Hold. (make hold signal) 24 is the shooter" Go to foul reporting area. |
So Ended That Experiment ...
After my preliminary signal, "Blue. Twenty-one. Push.", I point to the shooter and state "Shooter". Years ago, I tried stating, and remembering, both numbers, but would often mix up the numbers on the way to the reporting area..
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If I am the calling official, I might call out the shooter's number if it is clearly not obvious they are going to be shooting, like a rebounding foul.
If I am the non-calling official I know the foul that was called, I will point out the shooter for a longer time to identify to my other partner that is our shooter. Peace |
Thanks, guys. I'm doing a lot of games with newer officials, and I'm having a difficult time getting them to consistently get the numbers. I've been thinking that my method might be so personalized that it's hard for them to adopt. But, your comments are very much what I do and what I've been telling them.
Apparently, they just need to practice. |
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Peace |
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And then, when a partner doesn't give the shooter's number, I usually point to the shooter, and ask my partner if he/she is the shooter. I'll be more specific in our pre-game. Thanks, again. |
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At the spot, color, # fouler, signal for foul type. Just before I leave, color, # is the shooter.
I realize color of the shooter is redundant but helps me remember who the foul is on. I know a guy who signals with his hands the number of the shooter along with a verbal before his spot report. That's confusing to everyone but saying white 21 is the shooter before going to the table clarifies it. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk |
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Double Whistles
Where I see this messed up the most (basically talking about myself...), is on plays with double whistles on drives to the basket or rebounding fouls where it is possible there were 2 offenders (or its just in the middle of many bodies).
It is usually because of good initial mechanics that it is missed. Both officials post and hold and make eye contact and because it is in the lane with several bodies the numbers escape the 2 officials. I had this exact scenario in a tough conference game on Saturday night. Fortunately we are able to go to the monitor in our league to ensure we have the number correct, but it still looks silly and is sloppy so I'm trying to figure out the best way to handle this as well. |
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[QUOTE=Remington;996242]Where I see this messed up the most (basically talking about myself...), is on plays with double whistles on drives to the basket or rebounding fouls where it is possible there were 2 offenders (or its just in the middle of many bodies).
It is usually because of good initial mechanics that it is missed. Both officials post and hold and make eye contact and because it is in the lane with several bodies the numbers escape the 2 officials. This is primarily the cause of that problem. The NFHS Officials Manual recommends "generally, the official that has primary coverage at the time of the whistles should take controlof the ruling (call). The manual does not mention anything about "post, hold and make eye contact." |
I'd rather deal with whatever problems arise from making eye contact than whatever problems arise from not making eye contact.
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What if the play isn't clearly in one PCA (or I think it's clearly in mine, and you think it's clearly in yours)? What if it is, but I have a violation, while you have a foul on the back-side? What if it's in transition and the PCAs are more fluid? |
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I've never seen fist, hold, eye contact, result in 2 officials simultaneously making opposite calls.We pre-game double whistles to defer to whoever's primary it is if its the initial defender, defer to the L on a secondary defender in the paint. This works really well, especially with veteran crews and/or familiar partners. If you're working with less experienced partners, it usually works itself out that the "take charge" guy, as you would say, will go ahead and take the call when there is hesitancy. I'd much rather deal with a moment of hesitancy than have to enforce a blarge, which IMO is administered poorly at the NCAAM and NFHS levels. Or to have officials give conflicting signals such as in Bob's reference to the shooting/non- shooting foul video thread. |
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